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| Subject | Re: when to use import statements in the header, when to use import statements in the blocks where they are used? |
| Date | Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:17:59 +0000 |
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On 08/02/2012 02:41, Dave Angel wrote: > You forgot to include the list in your reply, so I'm forwarding it for > you. One way you could have done it was to reply-all. > > > On 02/07/2012 09:32 PM, Patto wrote: >> Dave Angel: >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Dave Angel<d@davea.name> wrote: >> >>> On 02/07/2012 08:48 PM, Lei Cheng wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> In a py file, when to use import statements in the header, when to use >>>> import statements in the blocks where they are used? >>>> What are the best practices? >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> Best practice is to put all the imports at the beginning of the module, >>> so they are easy to spot. >>> >>> If you put an import inside a function, it gets re-executed each time >>> the >>> function is called, which is a waste of time. Not too much, since import >>> first checks sys.modules to see if it's already loaded. >>> >>> Also, avoid the from xxx import * form, as it pollutes the >>> namespace. And it makes it hard to figure out where a particular name is >>> declared. >>> >>> I believe these and other best practices can be found in pep8. >>> >>> http://www.python.org/dev/**peps/pep-0008/<http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> DaveA >>> >>> >> yeah, I read pep8. >> However I find in the file path/to/djcelery/loaders.py from django-celery >> source, there are so many import/from statements used inside functions, I >> do not know why the author coded like this. Are there any special facts? >> > > I can't speak for django or django-celery. There are people that > disagree on this, and there are some reasons to override the ones I > mentioned. One would be large modules that are not used in most > circumstances, or not used till the program has run for a while. > > If you put the import inside a function, you can save on startup time by > deferring some of the logic till later. And if there's a module that > probably won't be used at all (eg. an error handler), perhaps you can > avoid loading it at all. > > I still think readability trumps all the other reasons, for nearly all > programs. Only once you decide you have a performance problem should you > change that. > There's a thread on the dev ml about imports that also discusses startup times for anyone who's interested. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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