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Re: beginners choice: wx or tk?

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On 14/07/2015 16:21, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 07/14/2015 08:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-07-14, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 07/13/2015 08:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>>> If it didn't have to run on Windows, I'd pick pygtk over wx.  I've
>>>> never tried qt.
>>>
>>> PyQt is very nice to work with.  In some respects it's not as Pythonic
>>> as PyGTK.  It feels a lot like transliterated C++ code, which it is.
>>> But it's a powerful toolkit and looks great on all supported platforms.
>>> If the licensing terms of PyQt are not to your liking, PySide is fairly
>>> close to PyQt (a few quirks that can be worked around), though I'm not
>>> sure how much love it's receiving lately.  Like wx, or Gtk, you would
>>> have to ship some extra dlls with your project for Windows and OS X.
>>
>> Why would you have to ship "extra" libraries for Windows?  Extra
>> compared to what?  When I compared bundled apps for Windows using wx
>> and Tk, you had to ship more libraries using Tk than you did with wx.
>> Maybe that's changed...
>
> You make a good point.  Although Tk is considered part of the standard
> Python library (though optional), Tk not only requires some dlls, it
> also embeds the tcl language interpreter as well.  So by some measures,
> Tk in Python is pretty heavy, though I have no idea what the size it
> would add to an application bundle actually is.  I've always thought it
> was a bit crazy how when you use Tk, you're actually using the Tcl
> language as well, even though you're driving it all from Python.  I
> believe there were attempts to separate Tk from Tcl, and allow Perl/Tk
> to replace all the Tcl code with Perl code.
>

Surely if Tk is optional then IDLE is also optional, as IDLE depends on 
Tk?  But I thought that IDLE was always supplied with Python, so am I 
missing something, or am I simply plain wrong, or what?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 09:28 +0000
  Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 19:35 +1000
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 09:51 +0000
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 20:20 +1000
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 22:42 +0000
          Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-11 15:50 -0700
            Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 23:04 +0000
              Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-11 16:10 -0700
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 23:55 +0000
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-11 21:34 -0700
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 17:59 -0600
            Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-12 12:00 +0200
              Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-07-13 05:32 -0700
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-11 10:25 -0700
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 03:39 +1000
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 14:16 -0600
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Jugurtha Hadjar <jugurtha.hadjar@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 01:54 +0100
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-13 14:42 +0000
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 20:16 -0600
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-07-14 00:45 -0700
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-14 14:06 +0000
          Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 09:21 -0600
          Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-14 16:43 +0100
            Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-15 02:53 +1000
            Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-14 17:28 +0000
              Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 03:43 +1000
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-14 18:28 +0000
          Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-07-14 15:27 -0400
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-14 08:39 +0100
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-07-14 06:05 -0700
  Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-11 11:01 +0100
  Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2015-07-11 12:19 +0200
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 16:04 +0000
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? nickgeovanis@gmail.com - 2015-07-11 09:26 -0700
  Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-11 13:27 +0200
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2015-07-11 13:56 +0200
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-11 16:48 +0200
        Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2015-07-11 21:29 -0400
          Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2015-07-11 22:01 -0700
            Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-07-12 00:42 -0700
              Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-12 07:55 +0000
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2015-07-12 10:00 +0200
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 18:54 +1000
                Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-07-12 03:15 -0700
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2015-07-11 08:09 -0700
    Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2015-07-11 16:01 +0000
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-11 19:37 +0200
      Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-11 19:55 +0200
  Re: beginners choice: wx or tk? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 10:33 -0600

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