Re: Comparing strings from the back?

From	Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject	Re: Comparing strings from the back?
Date	2012-09-11 11:55 -0400
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On 9/11/2012 6:40 AM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
> On 11 September 2012 10:51, Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid
> <mailto:duncan.booth@invalid.invalid>> wrote:
>
>     Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com
>     <mailto:oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>      >> What interning buys you is that "s == t" is an O(1) pointer compare
>      >> if they are equal. But if s and t differ in the last character,
>      >> __eq__ will still inspect every character. There is no way to tell
>      >> Python "all strings are interned, if s is not t then s != t as
>     well".
>      >>
>      >
>      > I thought that if *both* strings were interned then a pointer
>      > comparison could decide if they were unequal without needing to check
>      > the characters.
>      >
>      > Have I misunderstood how intern() works?
>      >
>
>     I don't think you've misunderstood how it work, but so far as I can
>     see the
>     code doesn't attempt to short circuit the "not equal but interned" case.
>     The comparison code doesn't look at interning at all, it only looks for
>     identity as a shortcut.
>
>
> It also doesn't seem to check if the hash values have been set. I guess
> the cached hash value is only used in contexts where the hash is
> explicitly desired.-

I believe the internal use of interning and hash comparison has varied 
from release to release. However, the main use of string comparison is 
for dict keys, especially the internal dicts for namespaces and 
attributes. Since the dict lookup code needs hash values anyway, to find 
slots with possible conflicts, I am sure it does not use the generic 
comparison operators but starts with hash comparisons.

Terry Jan Reedy

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Comparing strings from the back? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-03 21:54 -0400
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 12:07 +1000
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-04 02:17 +0000
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-09-03 21:56 -0700
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 08:50 +0100
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-04 18:32 +0200
      Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-04 18:07 +0000
        Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-05 11:17 +0200
      Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 07:59 +1000
        Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-05 11:24 +0200
          Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-05 11:43 +0200
            Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 14:30 +0000
              Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-05 16:51 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 16:24 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 22:47 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-06 08:33 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-06 06:07 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-07 04:06 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 19:10 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-08 00:55 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-08 11:53 +0000
                RE: Comparing strings from the back? "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-09-13 18:39 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 15:37 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 20:48 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 00:46 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 21:54 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 01:38 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 23:06 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 04:03 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 01:20 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 04:53 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 03:26 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 07:36 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-14 10:16 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 07:43 -0400
                RE: Comparing strings from the back? "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-09-14 22:43 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 23:10 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 18:11 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 14:05 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 23:06 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-17 13:35 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2012-09-18 09:14 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-18 08:12 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 11:55 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 11:59 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 12:17 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-19 00:47 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 02:20 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 16:40 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-19 00:48 +0100
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 20:53 +0100
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 17:06 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-14 03:39 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 14:15 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 22:17 +0100
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 17:35 -0400
                RE: Comparing strings from the back? "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-09-14 21:32 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 19:40 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Gelonida N <gelonida@gmail.com> - 2012-09-08 17:52 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-10 08:59 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-10 13:45 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 14:06 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-11 09:51 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-11 11:55 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 00:26 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 14:32 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 14:43 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 00:56 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-11 09:41 +0000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 12:04 +0100
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-14 17:51 -0700
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-06 08:13 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 22:29 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 15:43 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-06 10:23 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 16:33 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 16:42 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-06 11:54 -0400
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 16:34 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Gelonida N <gelonida@gmail.com> - 2012-09-08 17:50 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 15:37 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 00:39 +1000
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 17:36 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-06 17:44 +0200
                Re: Comparing strings from the back? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-07 04:07 +0000
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-04 01:13 -0400
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 08:56 +0100
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-09-04 11:58 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2012-09-05 12:18 +1000
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-09-05 03:39 +0100
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-04 22:48 -0400
    Re: Comparing strings from the back? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-05 16:33 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-09-05 10:29 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 18:33 +1000
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-09-05 11:48 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-09-05 17:45 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dan Goodman <dg.gmane@thesamovar.net> - 2012-09-10 18:07 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 16:33 +0000
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dan Goodman <dg.gmane@thesamovar.net> - 2012-09-10 19:32 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Dan Goodman <dg.gmane@thesamovar.net> - 2012-09-10 19:44 +0200
  Re: Comparing strings from the back? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 21:52 +0000

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