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Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3

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On 04.11.2015 04:18, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 November 2015 09:25, Terry Reedy wrote:
>
>> On 11/3/2015 10:42 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> It's probably related to the fact that std{in,out,err} are Unicode
>>>>> streams.
>>>>
>>>> There's no fundamental reason a Unicode stream should have to be line
>>>> buffered. If it's "related", it's only in that an oversight was made in
>>>> the course of making that change.
>>
>> The current behavior is not an 'oversight'.  I was considered, decided,
>> and revisited in https://bugs.python.org/issue13601.  Guido:
>> "Line-buffering should be good enough since in practice errors messages
>> are always terminated by a newline."  If not, print(part_line,
>> file=sys.stderr, flush=True) works for the unusual case.
>
> This is one of the offending line from our code base:
>
> print('<4>Suspicious answer "{}"!'.format(answer), file=sys.stderr)
>
> So that ought to be terminated by a newline. And yet, the stderr output
> doesn't show up until the program exits.
>

For me, that prints immediately. Where is your output going? Console, 
file, ...?

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Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-02 18:52 +1100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-02 11:48 +0100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-02 11:54 +0100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-11-03 07:10 +0000
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-03 10:00 -0500
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 02:42 +1100
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-11-03 17:25 -0500
      Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-04 14:18 +1100
        Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 09:19 +0100
          Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-04 21:24 +1100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 11:43 +0100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 12:49 +0100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-04 08:43 -0500
        Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-11-04 18:00 -0500
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 srinivas devaki <mr.eightnoteight@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:10 +0530

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