Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation

Path	csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
Return-Path	<python-python-list@m.gmane.org>
X-Original-To	python-list@python.org
Delivered-To	python-list@mail.python.org
X-Spam-Status	OK 0.004
X-Spam-Evidence	'H': 0.99; 'S': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'impacts': 0.07; '__init__': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'release,': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '(it': 0.16; 'buggy': 0.16; 'builtins': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:skip:m 10': 0.16; 'url:whatsnew': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'error': 0.23; 'sorry,': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'tracker': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'url:bugs': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'went': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'searching': 0.37; 'seconds': 0.37; 'depends': 0.38; 'mine': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'changed': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'break': 0.61; 'url:3': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'url:4': 0.69; 'saw': 0.77; '3.4': 0.84; 'awhile': 0.84; 'composing': 0.84; 'convinced': 0.93
X-Injected-Via-Gmane	http://gmane.org/
To	python-list@python.org
From	Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject	Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation
Date	Wed, 13 May 2015 18:43:59 +0100
References	<25ba3a96-21ee-4a83-b7c1-8ac60508d30c@googlegroups.com> <mivum5$203$1@ger.gmane.org> <mj009r$tso$1@ger.gmane.org>
Mime-Version	1.0
Content-Type	text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding	7bit
X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host	host-78-147-179-197.as13285.net
User-Agent	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0
In-Reply-To	<mj009r$tso$1@ger.gmane.org>
X-BeenThere	python-list@python.org
X-Mailman-Version	2.1.20+
Precedence	list
List-Id	General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe	<https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive	<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/>
List-Post	<mailto:python-list@python.org>
List-Help	<mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe	<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.455.1431539049.12865.python-list@python.org> (permalink)
Lines	32
NNTP-Posting-Host	2001:888:2000:d::a6
X-Trace	1431539049 news.xs4all.nl 2970 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56542
X-Complaints-To	abuse@xs4all.nl
Xref	csiph.com comp.lang.python:90571

Show key headers only | View raw

On 13/05/2015 18:05, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 5/13/2015 12:38 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> I'm completely convinced that I've seen a change go through on the bug
>> tracker that impacts on this area, but many months if not years ago.
>> Unfortunately searching the bug tracker for super, __new__, __init__ and
>> so on gets a lot of hits, leaving my Mk1 eyeballs overworked.  At least
>> I've tried but sorry, had to give up :(
>
>  From my post, sent while you were composing this. (It took me awhile to
> find it.)
>
> Bugfixes break code that depends on buggy behavior. See
> https://bugs.python.org/issue1683368
> Your code also fails in 2.7.9 if you inherit Foo from object.
> The exact error messages changed for 3.4 in
> https://bugs.python.org/issue7963
>
> (Found by searching https://docs.python.org/3.4/whatsnew/changelog.html
> for 'object'. selecting 'Highlight All', and scanning Core and Builtins
> sections. I believe the change went into some 2.7.x release, as well as
> 3.3.0a1)

Yes, I saw your email from the bug tracker roughly five seconds after I 
hit the SEND key for mine above :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

Back to comp.lang.python | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

Basic misunderstanding on object creation andrew cooke <andrew@acooke.org> - 2015-05-13 06:25 -0700
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2015-05-13 16:24 +0200
    Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation andrew cooke <andrew@acooke.org> - 2015-05-13 07:42 -0700
      Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation andrew cooke <andrew@acooke.org> - 2015-05-13 07:45 -0700
        Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2015-05-13 16:55 +0200
        Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 08:55 -0600
          Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation andrew cooke <andrew@acooke.org> - 2015-05-13 08:52 -0700
      Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 08:54 -0600
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-13 12:36 -0400
    Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation andrew cooke <andrew@acooke.org> - 2015-05-13 11:42 -0700
      Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-13 15:17 -0400
      Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-13 20:45 +0100
        Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-05-13 13:33 -0700
          Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-14 11:07 +1000
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-13 17:38 +0100
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-13 13:05 -0400
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-13 13:13 -0400
  Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-13 18:43 +0100

csiph-web