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Re: semicolon at end of python's statements

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Op 31-08-13 02:09, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:32:17 +0100, Fábio Santos wrote:
>
>> On 29 Aug 2013 23:20, "Ben Finney" <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> It is a shame that this is not possible in python. for..if exists in
>>>> comprehensions and not in regular loops but that would be nice
>>>> sometimes.
>>>
>>> So you use it in a generator expression, and iterate over the
>>> generator:
>>>
>>>      for foo in (spam for spam in sequence if predicate(spam)):
>>>          process(spam)
>>>
>>> That way, there's no need for new syntax.
>>
>> The problem I have with that strategy is that it is repetitive and
>> hinders readability. You wrote "for" and "in" twice, and spam (a pretty
>> useless intermediate variable) thrice!
>
> There is no need for spam to be "intermediate", and the fact that it
> shouldn't be is demonstrated by Ben's error in referring to "process
> (spam)" instead of "process(foo)".
>
> We really are spoiled for choice here. We can write any of these:
>
> # Option 1
> for spam in sequence:
>      if predicate(spam):
>          process(spam)
>
> # Option 2
> for spam in filter(predicate, sequence):
>      process(spam)
>
> # Option 3
> for spam in (spam for spam in sequence if predicate(spam)):
>      process(spam)
>
>
> Adding a fourth option:
>
> for spam in sequence if predicate(spam):
>      process(spam)
>
> saves absolutely nothing except a line and an indent level, neither of
> which are in short supply, and gains nothing in readability over Option 1.

I find this rather disenginuous. Dare to suggest here that python might
benetif by incluidng end markers for its suits because it would make it 
clearer how many indent levels were done, and chances are someone here
will suggest that too many indent levels are a sign of bad coding
practice, but when someone suggests a change that would allow him
to structure his program more like how he sees it and indent levels
are not short in supply, suggesting there is no problem, no matter how
many one uses.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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Re: semicolon at end of python's statements "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> - 2013-08-28 22:10 -0400
  Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-08-29 09:39 +0000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-08-29 19:52 +1000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-08-29 11:02 +0100
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-08-30 08:17 +1000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-08-30 08:50 +1000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-08-30 14:55 +1000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-08-30 09:15 +0200
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-08-30 17:25 +1000
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-08-30 09:48 +0200
    Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-08-30 11:32 +0100
      Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-08-30 06:53 -0400
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-08-30 16:14 +0200
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 08:18 +1000
      Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-08-31 00:09 +0000
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-08-31 01:03 -0400
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-08-31 10:47 +0300
          Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2013-08-31 09:00 +0100
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-08-31 13:28 +0300
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-02 14:20 +0000
              Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-09-02 09:45 -0500
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-09-02 10:47 -0400
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-09-02 12:58 -0500
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 07:07 +1000
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-01 19:58 +0200
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-01 21:58 +0200
          Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-02 08:05 +0000
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-02 11:45 +0200
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-09-02 11:42 +0100
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-02 12:58 +0200
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements "albert visser" <albert.visser@gmail.com> - 2013-09-02 19:44 +0200
              Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-09-02 13:53 -0400
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-03 17:15 +0000
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-03 20:00 +0000
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-09-02 17:24 -0400
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-09-02 00:30 +0100
        Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-02 10:29 +0200
          Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-02 09:52 +0000
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-02 20:14 +1000
              Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-02 14:57 +0000
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-02 12:52 +0200
            Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Modulok <modulok@gmail.com> - 2013-09-02 17:17 -0600
              Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-09-02 19:54 -0400
                Re: semicolon at end of python's statements Modulok <modulok@gmail.com> - 2013-09-02 18:56 -0600

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