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Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict

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From Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date 2012-01-06 10:20 -0700
Subject Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> That unittest executes its tests in alphabetical order is implementation
> detail for a very good reason, and good unittest practice dictates that
> execution order should never be defined (some even argued that the execution
> order should be randomized). If the test runner turns out to execute tests
> concurrently, that should not cause problems for a well-designed test.
> Displaying the test results in a more convenient order for viewing is what
> you really wanted in 99.99% of the cases.

Randomizing the order is not a bad idea, but you also need to be able
to run the tests in a consistent order, from a specific random seed.
In the real world, test conflicts and dependencies do happen, and if
we observe a failure, make a change, rerun the tests and observe
success, we need to be able to be sure that we actually fixed the bug,
and that it didn't pass only because it was run in a different order.

Concurrent testing is a bad idea for this reason -- it's not
repeatable (testing concurrency, OTOH, is a perfectly fine thing to be
thinking about).

Cheers,
Ian

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replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-06 10:48 +0100
  Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 22:43 +1100
    Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-06 14:36 +0100
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 04:01 +1100
        Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-07 00:45 +0000
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 10:20 -0700
        Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-07 00:49 +0000
          Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 12:21 +1100
          Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 18:24 -0700
            Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 14:03 -0800
              Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 23:10 +1100
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-09 14:16 +0100
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 23:31 +1100
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-10 18:21 +0100
        Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-01-09 09:35 -0500
          Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-01-09 14:52 +0000
          Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-09 17:59 +0100
            Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 10:30 -0700
            Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-01-09 20:05 -0500
              Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-01-09 23:21 -0500
              Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 23:22 +1100
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-01-10 09:05 -0500
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 02:57 +1100
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-01-10 21:47 -0500
                Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Tim Wintle <tim.wintle@teamrubber.com> - 2012-01-10 15:45 +0000
            Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 23:46 +1100
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 04:42 +1100
  Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-01-06 12:44 +0100
    Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-06 14:40 +0100
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 09:06 -0700
        Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 20:58 -0800
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 09:07 -0700
      Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 21:38 +0000
    Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-01-18 11:29 +0100
  Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-01-06 06:13 -0800
  Re: replacing __dict__ with an OrderedDict Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 21:32 +0000

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