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Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages

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On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 02:42, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that
> has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house”
> as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not
> objectifying women.
>
> But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in
> hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that
> tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations,
> having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who
> will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same
> <URL:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x168.html>.
>
> Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> writes:
>> Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that
>> this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop
>> claiming that it is harmful?
>
> I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do
> know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and
> English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the
> luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere
> of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people.
>
> Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not
> have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware
> of the privileges we males have here.
>
> We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never
> needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male
> field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and
> easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows
> which is perpetuating a hostile environment.
>
> I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been
> retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse,
> defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I
> hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act
> to clean up our house more.

A hearty +1 to this!

-- 
Rami Chowdhury
"A mind all logic is like a knife all blade - it makes the hand bleed
that uses it." -- Rabindranath Tagore
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Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-01-02 13:20 +0100
  Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-03 06:45 +1100
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 15:56 -0500
      Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-03 08:59 +1100
        Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-03 08:21 +0000
          Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-04 08:57 +1100
            Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-04 01:37 +0000
              Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-04 12:54 +1100
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-04 02:04 +0000
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-04 13:42 +1100
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-01-03 19:34 -0800
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Rami Chowdhury <rami.chowdhury@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 12:49 +0000
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 11:39 -0700
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 12:28 -0700
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 13:08 -0700
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 20:51 +0000
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 21:26 -0800
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 13:37 +1100
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 21:22 -0800
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-01-04 03:06 +0000
                Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 14:31 +1100
        Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-01-03 09:47 +0100
          Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-04 09:11 +1100
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 22:43 +0000
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 19:10 -0500

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