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Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors]

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> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> emacs' ergonomics is not right.

Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than other text
editors before it goes any further than your one unsupported
assertion.

I've been using one form or another of Emacs as a programmer/software
engineer for over 30 years.  While I have had problems with RSI from
time-to-time, there have generally been other factors at play other
than just use of a text editor.  I have learned how to manage it and
recognize the warning signs that indicate the onset of an episode.

More likely, rms ignored the problem and had bad personal ergomonics:
ignorance or lack of understanding of the problem, poor posture,
wrists not in a neutral position, lack of breaks, etc.  If you stop to
think about it, all text editors probably present similar issues for
their users.  They all involve:

* a lot of typing,
* use of modifier keys (ctrl, alt, command, etc)
* movement between the mouse and the keyboard

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Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2013-07-06 09:10 -0500
  Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-06 08:04 -0700
    Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-06 09:39 -0600
    Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] "Rhodri James" <rhodri@wildebst.demon.co.uk> - 2013-07-08 23:44 +0100
  Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-07 02:41 +0000
    Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] jussij@zeusedit.com - 2013-07-07 22:34 -0700
      Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-08 07:39 +0000
      Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Jason Friedman <jsf80238@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 22:27 -0600
        Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-09 12:12 +0000
          Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-07-09 17:04 -0400
  Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 06:54 +0000
    Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 12:17 +0800
      Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] jussij@zeusedit.com - 2013-07-10 21:15 -0700
        Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-07-11 09:45 -0400
          Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2013-07-11 16:42 +0100
            Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-12 01:50 +1000
              Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-12 04:24 +0000
                Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-12 14:34 +1000
                Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2013-07-12 00:57 -0400
                Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-07-12 18:34 -0400
                Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2013-07-12 18:54 -0400
          Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-12 02:39 +0000
            Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-12 12:50 +1000
            Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-07-14 17:12 +0000

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