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Re: print function and unwanted trailing space

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On 31 August 2013 12:16, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:17:23 +0200, candide wrote:
>
>> What is the equivalent in Python 3 to the following Python 2 code:
>>
>> # -----------------------------
>> for i in range(5):
>>      print i,
>> # -----------------------------
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Be careful that the above code doesn't add a trailing space after the
>> last number in the list,
>
> Of course it does. Have you actually tried it? The interactive
> interpreter is tricky, because you cannot directly follow a for-loop with
> another statement. If you try, the interactive interpreter gives you an
> indentation error. But we can work around it by sticking everything
> inside an if block, like so:
>
> py> if True:
> ...     for i in range(5):
> ...             print i,
> ...     # could be pages of code here
> ...     print "FINISHED"
> ...
> 0 1 2 3 4 FINISHED

The space is added by the final print statement, not the last one in
the loop. Here's a demo that shows this:

$ cat print.py
for i in range(5):
    print i,
print
$ cat print3.py
for i in range(5):
    print(i, end=' ')
print()
$ py -2.7 print.py | cat -A
0 1 2 3 4^M$
$ py -3.3 print3.py | cat -A
0 1 2 3 4 ^M$

(Notice the space between the 4 and ^M (which is cat's way of saying '\r').

[snip]
>
>> hence the following Python 3 code isn't strictly equivalent:
>>
>>
>> # -----------------------------
>> for i in range(5):
>>      print(i, end=' ')   # <- The last ' ' is unwanted
>> print()
>
> The last space is exactly the same as you get in Python 2. But really,
> who cares about an extra invisible space? In non-interactive mode, the
> two are exactly the same (ignoring the extra print() call outside the
> loop), but even at the interactive interpreter, I'd like to see the code
> where an extra space makes a real difference.

I seem to remember it breaking some unit test or doc test something
when I first tried to port something using 2to3 (this is the
replacement that 2to3 uses for print with a trailing comma). It's not
so important for interactive terminal output but when you do 'python
script.py > output.dat' the unwanted space shouldn't be there. The
soft-space feature is useful but stateful as Peter says and defies the
normal concept of what happens when calling a function so it was
removed when print became a function.


Oscar

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print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 10:17 +0200
  Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 10:43 +0200
    Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 11:25 +0200
      Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-08-31 12:31 +0200
        Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 15:33 +0200
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-08-31 15:59 +0200
            Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 17:58 +0200
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-01 01:30 +1000
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 16:43 +0100
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-01 08:08 +1000
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-09-01 00:15 +0100
          Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-08-31 19:57 -0400
        Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 17:51 +0200
  Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-08-31 11:16 +0000
    Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-08-31 14:27 +0200
    Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 13:37 +0100
    Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 14:59 +0200
      Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-08-31 15:18 +0000
  Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-08-31 07:24 -0400
    Re: print function and unwanted trailing space candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2013-08-31 15:51 +0200
  Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Wayne Werner <wayne@waynewerner.com> - 2013-09-11 06:36 -0500
  Re: print function and unwanted trailing space Albert Hopkins <marduk@letterboxes.org> - 2013-09-12 15:25 -0400

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