Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.

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Date	2013-06-19 18:21 +1000
Subject	Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.
From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.3576.1371630102.3114.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> wrote:
> On 06/19/2013 03:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> Names are *one of* the ways we specify which objects are to be used. (We
>>> can
>>> also specify objects via an container and a subscript or slice, or via an
>>> attribute of another object.  And probably another way or two.)
>>
>>
>> But you always have to bootstrap it with either a name.
>
>
> Whatever bootstrap really means in this context.  But if you have myname[3]
> + myname[5], the two objects being added are identified by a subscript
> operation, not just a name.
>
>> Or a literal.
>
>
> A literal is used to create an object, and acts like a temporary name for
> that object, but once again the object being operated on isn't necessarily
> that one. You can subscript and get attributes from a literal as well.
>
>
>> So those are the only two ways to specify which objects are to be
>> used.
>>
>
> That would be a pretty weak language, and it wouldn't be python.
>
>
> Now if you considered "." and "[" as operators, then I could understand your
> point.  But
>    http://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#operators
> seems to say differently.
>
> Also see
>    http://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html#primaries

They may not quite be "operators" per se, but the fact is that they're
composites built of primitives. You can't reference an object without
somewhere having either a name or a literal to start it off. Your
example starts with the object identified by the name 'myname', and
the objects referenced by the literals 3 and 5, and builds up from
there. Rebinding 'myname' would change that expression, as would
changing the meanings of 3 or 5, though I don't know of any way to do
the latter :)

ChrisA

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Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-13 01:55 +0000
  Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 12:03 +1000
  Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Kushal Kumaran <kushal.kumaran+python@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 10:05 +0530
  Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 14:39 +1000
  Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Νικόλαος Κούρας <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-13 08:36 +0300
  Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Νικόλαος Κούρας <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-13 10:11 +0300
    Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> - 2013-06-13 14:22 +0200
      Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Νικόλαος Κούρας <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-13 17:26 +0300
        Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-14 01:14 +0000
          Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 11:03 +0300
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 18:23 +1000
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 09:24 +0100
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-06-14 11:28 +0300
              Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 11:41 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 18:50 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 10:03 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-06-14 12:21 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 12:44 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-06-14 15:40 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 16:07 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Zero Piraeus <schesis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 09:48 -0400
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 07:05 -0700
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 17:08 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-14 16:31 +0000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 19:56 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 03:18 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-06-14 21:17 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-14 22:27 -0700
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-15 11:39 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-15 11:54 +0200
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-15 16:07 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 09:53 -0600
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-15 19:18 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 11:45 -0600
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 06:32 +0000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 11:07 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 09:22 +0000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 12:59 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 11:42 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Ferrous Cranus <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 14:06 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-16 12:26 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2013-06-16 14:00 +0200
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 13:04 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Ferrous Cranus <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 16:38 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 19:50 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-16 11:52 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 10:51 +0000
                Compiling vs interpreting [was Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 12:07 +0000
                Re: Compiling vs interpreting [was Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 12:31 -0700
                Re: Compiling vs interpreting [was Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 20:02 +0000
                Re: Compiling vs interpreting [was Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-17 08:26 +1000
                Re: Compiling vs interpreting [was Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-16 23:13 -0400
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-06-16 14:13 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Ferrous Cranus <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 16:47 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 19:53 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-17 08:17 +0300
                Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-17 06:51 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Simpleton <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-17 14:34 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-17 05:58 -0600
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Simpleton <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-17 18:50 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-17 23:39 -0700
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 07:24 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-18 11:49 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 09:05 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-18 12:51 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-18 20:22 +1000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-19 23:16 -0600
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-20 05:48 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-20 00:01 -0600
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 01:18 -0700
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-19 23:44 -0600
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Roel Schroeven <roel@roelschroeven.net> - 2013-06-20 19:19 +0200
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-17 10:22 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Simpleton <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-17 18:55 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-17 12:26 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-06-17 09:23 -0700
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-17 20:17 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-17 18:16 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-17 23:09 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-18 02:26 +0300
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 00:41 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-17 21:06 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 02:42 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-18 00:12 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 06:04 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 02:38 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-18 02:46 +0000
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-17 21:34 -0400
                Re: Variables versus name bindings [Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed.] Marcin Szamotulski <mszamot@gmail.com> - 2013-06-18 04:22 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Michael Weylandt <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-17 07:56 +0100
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 12:50 +0000
                OT: C vs Python terminology (was: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed) Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 13:22 +0200
                Re: OT: C vs Python terminology Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-16 08:55 -0400
                Re: OT: C vs Python terminology Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 17:02 +0200
                Re: OT: C vs Python terminology Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-16 21:58 -0400
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 09:28 +0100
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 09:35 +0100
            Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 11:44 +0300
              Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 18:57 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 12:00 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 19:12 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 12:47 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2013-06-15 18:55 -0700
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 05:09 +0000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-16 11:20 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2013-06-18 22:08 -0700
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-19 01:42 -0400
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-19 17:14 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Νίκος <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-19 10:49 +0300
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-19 04:06 -0400
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-19 18:21 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-19 08:55 +0000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-19 19:14 +1000
                Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 14:38 +0000
              Re: A certainl part of an if() structure never gets executed. Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 10:05 +0100

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