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Re: Right solution to unicode error?

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Le jeudi 8 novembre 2012 19:32:14 UTC+1, Oscar Benjamin a écrit :
> On 8 November 2012 15:05,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Le jeudi 8 novembre 2012 15:07:23 UTC+1, Oscar Benjamin a écrit :
> 
> >> On 8 November 2012 00:44, Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> > On 7 November 2012 23:51, Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> >> On 2012.11.07 17:27, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> >>> Are you using cmd.exe (standard Windows terminal)? If so, it does not
> 
> >> >>> support unicode
> 
> >>
> 
> >> >> Actually, it does. Code page 65001 is UTF-8. I know that doesn't help
> 
> >> >> the OP since Python versions below 3.3 don't support cp65001, but I
> 
> >> >> think it's important to point out that the Windows command line system
> 
> >> >> (it is not unique to cmd) does in fact support Unicode.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> > I have tried to use code page 65001 and it didn't work for me even if
> 
> >> > I did use a version of Python (possibly 3.3 alpha) that claimed to
> 
> >> > support it.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> I stand corrected. I've just checked and codepage 65001 does work in
> 
> >> cmd.exe (on this machine):
> 
> >>
> 
> >> O:\>chcp 65001
> 
> >> Active code page: 65001
> 
> >>
> 
> >> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c print('abc\u2013def')
> 
> >> abc-def
> 
> >>
> 
> >> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c print('\u03b1')
> 
> >> α
> 
> >>
> 
> >> It would be a lot better though if it just worked straight away
> 
> >> without me needing to set the code page (like the terminal in every
> 
> >> other OS I use).
> 
> >
> 
> > It *WORKS* straight away. The problem is that
> 
> > people do not wish to use unicode correctly
> 
> > (eg. Mulder's example).
> 
> > Read the point 1) and 4) in my previous post.
> 
> >
> 
> > Unicode and in general the coding of the characters
> 
> > have nothing to do with the os's or programming languages.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know what you mean that it works "straight away".
> 
> 
> 
> The default code page on my machine is cp850.
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>chcp
> 
> Active code page: 850
> 
> 
> 
> cp850 doesn't understand utf-8. It just prints garbage:
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c "import sys;
> 
> sys.stdout.buffer.write('\u03b1\n'.encode('utf-8'))"
> 
> ╬▒
> 
> 
> 
> Using the correct encoding doesn't help:
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c "import sys;
> 
> sys.stdout.buffer.write('\u03b1\n'.encode('cp850'))"
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
> 
>   File "Q:\tools\Python33\lib\encodings\cp850.py", line 12, in encode
> 
>     return codecs.charmap_encode(input,errors,encoding_map)
> 
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u03b1' in
> 
> position 0: character maps to
> 
>  <undefined>
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c "import sys;
> 
> sys.stdout.buffer.write('\u03b1\n'.encode(sys.stdout.en
> 
> coding))"
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
> 
>   File "Q:\tools\Python33\lib\encodings\cp850.py", line 12, in encode
> 
>     return codecs.charmap_encode(input,errors,encoding_map)
> 
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u03b1' in
> 
> position 0: character maps to
> 
>  <undefined>
> 
> 
> 
> If I want the other characters to work I need to change the code page:
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>chcp 65001
> 
> Active code page: 65001
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c "import sys;
> 
> sys.stdout.buffer.write('\u03b1\n'.encode('utf-8'))"
> 
> α
> 
> 
> 
> O:\>Q:\tools\Python33\python -c "import sys;
> 
> sys.stdout.buffer.write('\u03b1\n'.encode(sys.stdout.en
> 
> coding))"
> 
> α
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Oscar

You are confusing two things. The coding of the
characters and the set of the characters (glyphes/graphemes)
of a coding scheme.

It is always possible to encode safely an unicode, but
the target coding may not contain the character.

Take a look at the output of this "special" interactive
interpreter" where the host coding (sys.stdout.encoding)
can be change on the fly.


>>> s = 'éléphant\u2013abc需'
>>> sys.stdout.encoding
'<unicode>'
>>> s
'éléphant–abc需'
>>> 
>>> sys.stdout.encoding = 'cp1252'
>>> s.encode('cp1252')
'éléphant–abc需'
>>> sys.stdout.encoding = 'cp850'
>>> s.encode('cp850')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<eta last command>", line 1, in <module>
  File "C:\Python32\lib\encodings\cp850.py", line 12, in encode
    return codecs.charmap_encode(input,errors,encoding_map)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u2013'
in position 8: character maps to <undefined>
>>> # but
>>> s.encode('cp850', 'replace')
'éléphant?abcé??'
>>> 
>>> sys.stdout.encoding = 'utf-8'
>>> s
'éléphant–abc需'
>>> s.encode('utf-8')
'éléphant–abc需'
>>> 
>>> sys.stdout.encoding = 'utf-16-le'  <<<<<<<<<
>>> s
' é l é p h a n t  a b c é S ¬ '
>>> s.encode('utf-16-le')
'éléphant–abc需'

<<<<<<<<<<< some cheating here do to the mail system, it really looks like this.

jmf

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  Re: Right solution to unicode error? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 23:27 +0000
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  RE: Right solution to unicode error? Anders Schneiderman <ASchneiderman@asha.org> - 2012-11-08 09:00 -0500
  Re: Right solution to unicode error? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:06 +0000
    Re: Right solution to unicode error? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-11-08 07:05 -0800
      Re: Right solution to unicode error? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 18:32 +0000
        Re: Right solution to unicode error? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-11-08 11:30 -0800
        Re: Right solution to unicode error? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-11-08 11:30 -0800
      Re: Right solution to unicode error? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 11:48 -0700
        Re: Right solution to unicode error? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-11-08 11:54 -0800
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            Re: Right solution to unicode error? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-11-09 02:06 -0800
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