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Re: A difficulty with lists

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On 8/15/2012 5:58 PM, Rob Day wrote:

 > Madison May wrote:
>     The list nlist inside of function xx is not the same as the variable
>     u outside of the function:  nlist and u refer to two separate list
>     objects.  When you modify nlist, you are not modifying u.
>     <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>

This is confused and wrong. The parameter *name* 'nlist' of function xx 
is not the same as the *name* 'u' outside the function. The call xx(u) 
binds nlist to the same object that u is bound to. At that point, the 
two name *are* bound to the same list object. The statement 
"nlist+=[999]" dodifying nlist *does* modify u. The subsequent 
assignment statement "nlist=nlist[:-1]" rebinds 'nlist' to a *new* list 
object. That new object gets deleted when the function returns. So the 
rebinding is completely useless.

This sequence, modifying the input argument and then rebinding to a new 
object, is bad code.

> Well - that's not quite true. Before calling the function, u is [1, 2,
> 3, 4] - but after calling the function,  u is [1, 2, 3, 4, 999]. This is
> a result of using 'nlist += [999]' - the same thing doesn't happen if
> you use 'nlist = nlist+[999]' instead.
>
> I'm not completely aware of what's going on behind the scenes here, but

you got it right.

> I think the problem is that 'nlist' is actually a reference to a list
> object - it points to the same place as u.

Calling a python function binds parameter names to argument objects or 
(for *args and **kwds parameters) a collection based on argument objects.

> When you assign to it within
> the function, then it becomes separate from u - which is why nlist =
> nlist+[999] and nlist = nlist[:-1] don't modify u - but if you modify
> nlist in place before doing that, such as by using +=, then it's still
> pointing to u, and so u gets modified as well.


-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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A difficulty with lists Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2012-08-06 21:50 +0200
  Re: A difficulty with lists MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-08-06 21:19 +0100
  Re: A difficulty with lists Madison May <worldpeaceagentforchange@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 14:12 -0700
    Re: A difficulty with lists Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-08-15 20:21 -0400
      Re: A difficulty with lists Madison May <worldpeaceagentforchange@gmail.com> - 2012-08-16 06:46 -0700
  Re: A difficulty with lists Madison May <worldpeaceagentforchange@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 16:56 -0700
  Re: A difficulty with lists Cheng <chbeh88@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-20 13:43 -0700

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