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Date Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:19:16 +1000
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On 14Jun2013 11:37, Nikos as SuperHost Support <support@superhost.gr> wrote:
| On 14/6/2013 11:22 πμ, Antoon Pardon wrote:
| 
| >>Python prints numbers:
| >No it doesn't, numbers are abstract concepts that can be represented in
| >various notations, these notations are strings. Those notaional strings
| >end up being printed. As I said before we are so used in using the
| >decimal notation that we often use the notation and the number interchangebly
| >without a problem. But when we are working with multiple notations that
| >can become confusing and we should be careful to seperate numbers from their
| >representaions/notations.
| 
| How do we separate a number then from its represenation-natation?

Shrug. When you "print" a number, Python transcribes a string
representation of it to your terminal.

| What is a notation anywat? is it a way of displayment? but that
| would be a represeantion then....

Yep. Same thing. A "notation" is a particulart formal method of
representation.

| No it doesn't, numbers are abstract concepts that can be represented in
| various notations
| 
| >>but when we need a decimal integer
| >
| >There are no decimal integers. There is only a decimal notation of the number.
| >Decimal, octal etc are not characteristics of the numbers themselves.
| 
| So everything we see like:
| 
| 16474
| nikos
| abc123
| 
| everything is a string and nothing is a number? not even number 1?

Everything you see like that is textual information. Internally to
Python, various types are used: strings, bytes, integers etc. But
when you print something, text is output.

Cheers,
-- 
Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>

A long-forgotten loved one will appear soon. Buy the negatives at any price.

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