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Re: order independent hash?

From Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject Re: order independent hash?
Date 2011-12-02 16:40 -0500
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On 12/2/2011 4:53 AM, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> Chris Angelico<rosuav@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>>> The hash can grow with (k,v) pairs accumulated in the run time.
>>> An auto memory management mechanism is required for a hash of a non-fixed size of (k,v) pairs.
>>
>> That's a hash table
>
> In many contexts "hash table" is shortened to "hash" when there is no
> ambiguity.  This is especially popular among Perl programmers where the
> equivalent of dict is called a hash.
>
>> Although strictly speaking, isn't that "Python dicts are implemented
>> as hash tables in CPython"? Or is the hashtable implementation
>> mandated?
>
> It's pretty much mandated because of the __hash__ protocol.

Lib Ref 4.8. Mapping Types — dict
"A mapping object maps hashable values to arbitrary objects."

This does not say that the mapping has to *use* the hash value ;-).
Even if it does, it could use a tree structure instead of a hash table. 
But hash tables seem to work well for general purposes,

"Mappings are mutable objects."
(This would change if a frozendict were added.)

especially when additions and deletions are needed.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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Re: order independent hash? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2011-11-30 13:47 +0100
  Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 07:35 -0800
  Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 07:35 -0800
    Re: order independent hash? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2011-12-01 10:52 -0500
      Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 08:17 -0800
      Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 08:17 -0800
    Re: order independent hash? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 03:18 +1100
      Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 20:29 -0800
        Re: order independent hash? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 16:00 +1100
          Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 21:48 -0800
            Re: order independent hash? Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 00:40 +1100
          Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 21:48 -0800
            Re: order independent hash? Roel Schroeven <rschroev_nospam_ml@fastmail.fm> - 2011-12-04 14:41 +0100
              Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 07:39 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 10:41 -0700
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 10:06 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 13:13 -0700
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 15:17 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Matt Joiner <anacrolix@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 10:21 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 16:24 -0700
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 16:52 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-05 02:00 +0000
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 16:52 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 12:59 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-12-04 18:08 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-12-05 15:52 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Matt Joiner <anacrolix@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 14:02 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-06 21:24 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-06 21:24 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 15:17 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-04 19:28 -0500
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-04 10:06 -0800
          Re: order independent hash? Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@xemacs.org> - 2011-12-02 10:53 +0100
            Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-02 03:48 -0800
            Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-02 09:00 -0800
            Re: order independent hash? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-02 16:40 -0500
              Re: order independent hash? Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@xemacs.org> - 2011-12-04 14:55 +0100
                Re: order independent hash? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 01:08 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@xemacs.org> - 2011-12-07 14:28 +0100
                Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-07 09:48 -0800
                Re: order independent hash? Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-12-04 12:57 -0600
                Re: order independent hash? Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@xemacs.org> - 2011-12-08 10:30 +0100
                Re: order independent hash? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-09 11:27 +0000
                Re: order independent hash? Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@xemacs.org> - 2011-12-09 17:51 +0100
                Re: order independent hash? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-10 04:13 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-11 10:58 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-11 11:17 +1100
                Re: order independent hash? Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-11 14:04 +1100
        Re: order independent hash? Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 00:29 +1100
      Re: order independent hash? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-01 20:29 -0800
      Re: order independent hash? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-02 04:33 +0000

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