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Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal]

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On 08/01/2013 20:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/01/2013 06:35, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> ... it looks
>>> quite significant to show a line going from the bottom of the graph to
>>> the top, but sounds a lot less noteworthy when you see it as a
>>> half-degree increase on about (I think?) 30 degrees, and even less
>>> when you measure temperatures in absolute scale (Kelvin) and it's half
>>> a degree in three hundred.
>>
>> Why on Earth do you think that the distance from nominal surface
>> temperatures to freezing much less absolute 0 is the right scale to compare
>> global warming changes against? You need to compare against the size of
>> global mean temperature changes that would cause large amounts of human
>> suffering, and that scale is on the order of a *few* degrees, not hundreds.
>> A change of half a degree over a few decades with no signs of slowing down
>> *should* be alarming.
>
> I didn't say what it should be;

Actually, you did. You stated that "a ~0.6 deg increase across ~30 years [is 
h]ardly statistically significant". Ignoring the confusion between statistical 
significance and practical significance (as external criteria like the 
difference between the nominal temp and absolute 0 or the right criteria that I 
mentioned has nothing to do with statistical significance), you made a positive 
claim that it wasn't significant.

> I gave three examples.

You gave negligently incorrect ones. Whether your comments were on topic or not, 
you deserve to be called on them when they are wrong.

> And as I said,
> this is not the forum to debate climate change; I was just using it as
> an example of statistical reporting.
>
> Three types of lies.

FUD is a fourth.

-- 
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
  that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
  an underlying truth."
   -- Umberto Eco

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  Re: Numpy outlier removal Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2013-01-06 23:33 +0100
    RE: Numpy outlier removal "Joseph L. Casale" <jcasale@activenetwerx.com> - 2013-01-06 22:50 +0000
    Re: Numpy outlier removal MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-01-06 23:18 +0000
  Re: Numpy outlier removal Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-07 01:46 +0000
    Re: Numpy outlier removal "Paul Simon" <psimon@sonic.net> - 2013-01-06 18:21 -0800
    Re: Numpy outlier removal Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 02:29 +0000
      Re: Numpy outlier removal Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-07 05:11 +0000
        Re: Numpy outlier removal Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 15:20 +0000
          [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-07 17:58 +0000
            Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 06:43 +1100
              Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-08 02:06 +0000
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 17:35 +1100
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 15:55 +0000
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-01-09 07:14 +1100
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-09 07:50 +0000
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 22:59 +0000
            Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 22:32 +0000
              Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-08 01:23 +0000
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-01-08 04:07 -0500
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2013-01-08 08:47 -0800
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2013-01-08 08:47 -0800
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-01-09 00:02 +0000
                Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 13:50 +0000
            Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Jason Friedman <jason@powerpull.net> - 2013-01-08 19:22 -0700
            Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] Jason Friedman <jason@powerpull.net> - 2013-01-08 19:23 -0700
        Re: Numpy outlier removal Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 15:35 +0000
    RE: Numpy outlier removal "Joseph L. Casale" <jcasale@activenetwerx.com> - 2013-01-07 02:12 +0000

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