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Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend

From Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend
Date 2013-11-20 13:57 +0000
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On 20/11/2013 09:29, Alister wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:54:28 -0500, Dave Angel wrote:
>
>> On 20 Nov 2013 03:52:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info>
>> wrote:
>>> 2 does count because it isn't divisible by 3. The question states,
>>> "[count] how many positive integers less than N are not divisible
>> by 2,3
>>> or 5". Two is not divisible by 3, so "not divisible by 2,3 or 5" is
>> true,
>>> so two gets counted.
>>
>>> The first number which is divisible by *all* of 2, 3 and 5 (i.e.
>> fails
>>> the test, and therefore doesn't get counted) is 30. The next few
>> that
>>> fail the test are 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, 240, 270, 300, ...
>>> Remember, these are the numbers which should not be counted.
>>
>>>> I count 1, not 6
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, which number did you count?
>>
>> 1 of course. It's the only one that's not divisible by any of the
>> factors.
>>
>> Apparently we disagree about precedence and associativity in English.
>> I believe the not applies to the result of (divisible by 2, 3, or 5),
>> so I'd count 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23. The first nonprime would be 49.
>>
>> If I were trying to get the series you describe, I'd phrase it as
>>    "Not divisible by 2, and not divisible by 3, and not divisible by 5"
>
> This ambiguity is a great example of why teachers (and enayone else
> responsible for specifying a programming project) should take greater
> care when specifying tasks.
> if it is to late to ask for clarification (the correct step in a real
> world case) I suggest you write 2 programs 1 for each interpretation, it
> will be good for your personal learning even if the teacher does not give
> any extra credit.
>

Ambiguity is the reason that some of the most expensive language lessons 
in the world are at places like Sandhurst and West Point.  Giving 
crystal clear orders, whether verbally or in writing, is considered 
quite important in the military.

By the way, this is double posted and there were four identical messages 
from you yesterday, finger trouble or what? :)

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 10:40 -0800
  Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend maxwell34m@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 11:05 -0800
  Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Neil Cerutti <mr.cerutti@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 14:07 -0500
  Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-19 11:06 -0800
  Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 11:27 -0800
    Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 20:48 +0000
      Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-20 11:38 +0000
        Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 02:03 +0000
    Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 14:51 -0800
  Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-20 00:17 +0000
    Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-19 22:10 -0500
      Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-20 03:52 +0000
        Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-20 00:54 -0500
          Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 09:29 +0000
            Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 13:57 +0000
              Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:51 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-20 18:33 -0500
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-11-21 15:44 +0200
              Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:49 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:05 +1100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:06 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:09 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:14 +1100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:35 +0000
                Multiple postings Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:36 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:34 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 16:29 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 16:45 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 09:12 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 17:37 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 09:51 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 18:09 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 10:18 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 18:35 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 11:54 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 07:26 +1100
                Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-21 00:27 +0000
                Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-21 00:48 +0000
                Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-11-21 09:08 +0000
                Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to   Help a Friend] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-22 17:10 +1300
                Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 20:46 +1100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-21 12:53 +0100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 02:48 +1100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Neil Cerutti <mr.cerutti@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 11:29 -0500
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 04:10 +1100
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-21 15:17 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-21 15:35 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-21 15:55 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-21 19:55 -0500
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-21 20:17 -0800
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-21 19:17 -0500
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:34 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:06 +0000
                Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 15:24 +0000
              Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:50 +0000
              Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:50 +0000
          Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 09:29 +0000

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