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Re: is implemented with id ?

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On 09/05/2012 12:47 PM, Hans Mulder wrote:
> On 5/09/12 17:09:30, Dave Angel wrote:
>> But by claiming that id() really means address, and that those addresses
>> might move during the lifetime of an object, then the fact that the id()
>> functions are not called simultaneously implies that one object might
>> move to where the other one used to be before the "move."
> Whoa!  Not so fast!  The id() of an object is guaranteed to not
> change during the object's lifetime.  So if an implementation
> moves objects around (e.g. Jython), then it cannot use memory
> addresses for the id() function.
Which is equivalent to my point.  I had mistakenly thought that Steven
was claiming it was always an address, and disproving that claim by what
amounts to reductio ad absurdem.

>> I think it much more likely that jython uses integer values for
>> the id() function, and not physical addresses.
> The id() function is guaranteed to return some flavour of integer.
>
> In Jython, the return values are 1, 2, 3, 4, etc., except, of course,
> if you invoke id() on an object you've id'd before, you get the same
> number as before.
>
> In current versions of CPython, you do get the (virtual) memory
> address, converted to an int (or a long).  But then, CPython does
> not move objects.
>
> Maybe the next version of CPython should shift id values two or three
> bits to the right, just to make sure people don't misinterpret ids as
> memory addresses.
>
>

I think i'd prefer if it would put it through one step of a CRC32.

-- 

DaveA

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is implemented with id ? Franck Ditter <franck@ditter.org> - 2012-09-05 08:30 +0200
  Re: is implemented with id ? Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2012-09-04 23:40 -0700
    Re: is implemented with id ? Franck Ditter <franck@ditter.org> - 2012-09-05 15:19 +0200
      Re: is implemented with id ? Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-09-05 15:48 +0200
        Re: is implemented with id ? aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) - 2012-11-03 12:41 -0700
          Re: is implemented with id ? Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-11-03 22:49 +0100
            Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-03 22:18 +0000
              Re: is implemented with id ? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 09:50 +1100
              Re: is implemented with id ? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 01:14 +0000
                Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-04 03:10 +0000
                Re: is implemented with id ? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 14:19 +1100
                Re: is implemented with id ? aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) - 2012-11-03 22:09 -0700
                Re: is implemented with id ? Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-11-04 11:13 +0100
              Re: is implemented with id ? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 12:22 +1100
              Re: is implemented with id ? aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) - 2012-11-03 22:08 -0700
            Re: is implemented with id ? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-03 18:41 -0400
            Re: is implemented with id ? aahz@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) - 2012-11-03 22:12 -0700
      Re: is implemented with id ? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-05 10:00 -0400
        Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 14:41 +0000
          Re: is implemented with id ? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-05 11:09 -0400
            Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 15:36 +0000
            Re: is implemented with id ? Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-09-05 18:47 +0200
              Re: is implemented with id ? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-05 13:19 -0400
          Re: is implemented with id ? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-05 14:31 -0400
          Re: is implemented with id ? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-05 22:08 -0400
          Re: is implemented with id ? Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-06 09:34 +0000
            Re: is implemented with id ? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 19:50 +1000
          Re: is implemented with id ? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-11-04 01:33 -0700
  Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 09:14 +0000
    Re: is implemented with id ? Ramchandra Apte <maniandram01@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 05:48 -0700
      Re: is implemented with id ? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-05 09:46 -0400
      Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-05 14:13 +0000
        Re: is implemented with id ? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 11:08 -0600
        Re: is implemented with id ? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 19:07 +1000
      Re: is implemented with id ? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-05 14:27 -0400
        Re: is implemented with id ? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-06 06:44 +0000
          Re: is implemented with id ? Ramchandra Apte <maniandram01@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 01:24 -0700
          Re: is implemented with id ? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-06 08:16 -0400
            Re: is implemented with id ? Ramchandra Apte <maniandram01@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 06:30 -0700
      Re: is implemented with id ? Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-05 14:40 -0400

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