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| From | Henry Olders <henry.olders@mcgill.ca> |
| Subject | scope of function parameters |
| Date | Sun, 29 May 2011 04:30:52 -0400 |
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I just spent a considerable amount of time and effort debugging a program. The made-up code snippet below illustrates the problem I encountered: def main(): a = ['a list','with','three elements'] print a print fnc1(a) print a def fnc1(b): return fnc2(b) def fnc2(c): c[1] = 'having' return c This is the output: ['a list', 'with', 'three elements'] ['a list', 'having', 'three elements'] ['a list', 'having', 'three elements'] I had expected the third print statement to give the same output as the first, but variable a had been changed by changing variable c in fnc2. It seems that in Python, a variable inside a function is global unless it's assigned. This rule has apparently been adopted in order to reduce clutter by not having to have global declarations all over the place. I would have thought that a function parameter would automatically be considered local to the function. It doesn't make sense to me to pass a global to a function as a parameter. One workaround is to call a function with a copy of the list, eg in fnc1 I would have the statement "return fnc2(b[:]". But this seems ugly. Are there others who feel as I do that a function parameter should always be local to the function? Or am I missing something here? Henry
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scope of function parameters Henry Olders <henry.olders@mcgill.ca> - 2011-05-29 04:30 -0400
Re: scope of function parameters Mel <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2011-05-29 07:59 -0400
Re: scope of function parameters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-29 16:27 -0400
Re: scope of function parameters Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2011-05-29 17:21 +0000
Re: scope of function parameters Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-30 07:42 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Laurent Claessens <moky.math@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 09:12 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-05-30 00:27 -0700
Re: scope of function parameters Laurent <moky.math@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 09:38 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 19:10 +1100
Re: scope of function parameters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-30 05:02 -0400
Re: scope of function parameters Laurent Claessens <moky.math@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 11:08 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-30 09:14 +0000
Re: scope of function parameters Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-30 19:17 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2011-05-30 11:41 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Laurent Claessens <moky.math@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 12:10 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Laurent Claessens <moky.math@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 12:10 +0200
Re: scope of function parameters Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2011-05-30 13:40 +0300
Re: scope of function parameters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-30 12:49 -0400
Re: scope of function parameters Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-30 09:16 +0000
Re: scope of function parameters Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-29 23:46 +0000
Re: scope of function parameters Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-30 11:31 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 11:56 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-30 12:08 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 12:37 +1000
Re: scope of function parameters Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-30 04:23 +0000
Re: scope of function parameters rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 09:46 -0700
Re: scope of function parameters rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 10:33 -0700
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