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Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior

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Date Fri, 27 May 2011 14:10:24 +1000
Subject Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior
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On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Because "lst" is not a real word. To native readers of languages derived
> from Latin or Germany, such as English, it is quite a strange "word"
> because it has no vowel. In addition, it looks like 1st (first).

Contrived examples are always awkward; in real examples, there's often
an alternative based on the list's purpose, which can then be used to
offer a name.

> Sometimes shadowing is harmless, and sometimes it's useful.

Agreed on both those halves; and obviously, the times where it's
useful are very much important. I have to say, I do like Python's lack
of keywords for these things; the ability to shadow is a flexibility
that means that, for the most part, new builtins can be added to the
language without breaking existing code.

ChrisA

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Puzzled by list-appending behavior Uncle Ben <bgreen@nycap.rr.com> - 2011-05-25 21:46 -0700
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-26 15:11 +1000
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-05-25 22:17 -0700
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 17:20 +1000
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 17:23 +1000
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Uncle Ben <bgreen@nycap.rr.com> - 2011-05-26 00:33 -0700
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-05-26 01:09 -0700
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2011-05-26 16:58 +0100
    Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2011-05-26 23:34 -0700
      Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2011-05-27 17:02 +0100
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 02:04 +1000
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior John Ladasky <ladasky@my-deja.com> - 2011-05-26 11:27 -0700
    Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-27 01:59 +0000
      Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 13:24 +1000
        Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-27 03:52 +0000
          Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-27 14:10 +1000
          RE: Puzzled by list-appending behavior "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmchase.com> - 2011-05-27 13:58 -0400
          Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-05-27 11:56 -0700
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-26 14:44 -0400
  RE: Puzzled by list-appending behavior "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmchase.com> - 2011-05-26 15:34 -0400
  Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-26 17:36 -0400

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