Re: Python Worst Practices

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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do like Python, and I accept it for what it is, so no one needs to jump forward as a Holy Python See to convert me to the truth. I also know that with most other languages, that first slide wouldn’t need to be one of the prominent “worst practices” slide.
>

This is the thing about design. We are happy to rant about the
problems in the things we love most... and it doesn't mean we don't
love them. A passing comment in the famous "PHP: a fractal of bad
design" article says: "Side observation: I loooove Python. I will also
happily talk your ear off complaining about it, if you really want me
to."; for myself, I often say that Python is the second-best
programming language in the world, but will still rant about its
problems. And if I ever start building my own programming language, I
would be looking at all the ones I know, and making objective
evaluations of what's good and bad about them. (And then probably
abandoning the project early on, because there are established
languages that are sufficiently close to what I want that it's just
not worth making a new one.)

Know what you hate about the things you love, and know what you love
about the things you hate.

ChrisA

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Re: Python Worst Practices Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-28 08:35 +1100

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