Re: Continuing indentation

From	Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Continuing indentation
Date	2016-03-04 08:25 -0700
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:03 AM, alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:12:58 +0000, cl wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:23 pm, INADA Naoki wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Indeed. I don't understand why, when splitting a condition such as
>>> >> this,
>>> >> people tend to put the operator at the end of each line.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > Because PEP8 says:
>>> >
>>> >> The preferred place to break around a binary operator is after the
>>> > operator, not before it. http://pep8.org/#maximum-line-length
>>>
>>> PEP 8 is wrong :-)
>>>
>> Yes, I agree.  In my mind the logic is:-
>>
>>     IF xxx
>>         AND yyy AND zzz OR aaa
>>     THEN do something
>>
>> The PEP8 correct(er):-
>>
>>     IF xxx AND
>>          yyy AND zzz OR aaa
>>     THEN do something
>>
>> ... just seems all wrong and difficult to understand.
>
> not at all
> the split after the operator shows that their is more to that line
> splitting before & the reader could believe that the condition ends there
>
> PEP 8 is mos definitely correct on this one

I disagree. When I'm skimming over code, I find it unlikely that I'll
read the last token of the line. That's where trivialities like
arguments to function calls are found. It's much more likely that I'll
read the first token of the next line.

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Continuing indentation Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 14:43 -0600
  Re: Continuing indentation Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-02 22:50 +0200
    Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-02 14:01 -0800
      Re: Continuing indentation Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-03 00:10 +0200
        Re: Continuing indentation Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:44 -0600
        Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-02 14:51 -0800
        Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-02 14:56 -0800
        Re: Continuing indentation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:46 +1100
        Re: Continuing indentation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-03 13:15 +1100
        Re: Continuing indentation John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2016-03-03 16:16 +0000
          Re: Continuing indentation Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-03 18:47 +0200
            Re: Continuing indentation Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-03-03 18:06 +0000
              Re: Continuing indentation Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-03 21:36 +0200
            Re: Continuing indentation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-04 11:13 +1100
              Re: Continuing indentation INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 09:45 +0900
              Re: Continuing indentation Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-03-04 01:06 +0000
              Re: Continuing indentation INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 10:23 +0900
                Re: Continuing indentation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-04 14:48 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-04 10:12 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-04 14:03 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 08:25 -0700
                Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-04 09:36 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 13:14 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 21:20 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-03-04 23:31 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 23:45 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-04 15:53 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation Simon Ward <simon+python@bleah.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 00:23 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 17:17 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-04 18:14 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-05 13:22 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2016-03-04 20:49 -0600
                Re: Continuing indentation srinivas devaki <mr.eightnoteight@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:25 +0530
                Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-05 16:10 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-03-05 00:52 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-05 12:05 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-03-05 01:45 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-05 18:17 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-04 13:59 +0000
                Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-05 10:41 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 16:06 -0800
                Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-05 11:30 +1100
                Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-04 17:01 -0800
              Re: Continuing indentation Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2016-03-04 02:24 +0000
              Re: Continuing indentation Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-04 08:28 +0200
  Re: Continuing indentation codewizard@gmail.com - 2016-03-02 15:46 -0800
    Re: Continuing indentation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:54 +1100
      Re: Continuing indentation Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 00:23 +0000
    Re: Continuing indentation Carl Meyer <carl@oddbird.net> - 2016-03-02 17:02 -0700
      Re: Continuing indentation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-03 13:22 +1100
        Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-03 13:30 +1100
        Re: Continuing indentation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 13:33 +1100
        Re: Continuing indentation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-02 18:57 -0800
    Re: Continuing indentation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-03 11:30 +1100
    Re: Continuing indentation cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-03 10:22 +0000

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