Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python

Date	2015-01-16 09:23 -0700
From	Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Subject	Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python
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On 01/15/2015 10:29 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My first response was going to be "Well, you can always add another
>> layer of indirection to try to solve your problem", but then I went
>> and looked up builders on Wikipedia. Now I'm confused. What can you do
>> with a builder that you can't do with a constructor?
> 
> In Java you have to write a separate constructor for every conceivable
> combination of arguments. If there are a lot of optional arguments,
> that's an exponentially large number of constructors. The builder
> pattern provides a solution to that problem.
> 
> In Python you just have one initializer with defaults for the optional
> arguments, so it's not an issue.

Which seems to confirm my understanding that these patterns are in large
part a response to limitations in the language, which certainly doesn't
engender a fondness for the Java.

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lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python yawar.amin@gmail.com - 2015-01-14 21:54 -0800
  Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-15 06:06 +0000
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-01-14 23:39 -0700
      Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-16 01:29 +1100
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 08:38 -0600
      Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 18:07 -0800
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-16 15:17 +1100
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-01-15 17:22 +0000
  Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2015-01-15 08:04 -0500
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-01-16 00:09 +1100
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 07:11 -0600
      Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-01-15 15:24 +0200
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-16 01:24 +1100
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-01-16 01:50 +1100
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-01-15 19:47 -0500
            Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-17 00:21 +1300
              Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-01-16 14:06 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-17 10:24 +1300
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-17 21:33 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-01-17 18:30 +0000
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2015-01-15 20:34 -0500
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 18:44 -0700
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-01-16 02:14 +0000
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-01-16 15:00 +1100
            Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-17 10:29 +1300
              Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-17 21:30 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-01-17 12:49 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-01-17 13:07 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-01-17 13:59 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-01-17 14:15 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-01-17 14:54 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-01-17 06:19 -0600
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-01-17 15:19 +0200
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2015-01-17 12:24 -0500
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-18 11:41 +1300
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-17 23:48 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2015-01-17 12:20 -0500
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-18 13:45 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-01-17 17:21 -0500
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Danilo Coccia <daniloco@acm.org> - 2015-01-17 15:20 +0100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-17 23:49 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-01-18 00:33 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-18 10:56 +1300
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-01-18 09:04 +1100
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2015-01-17 11:56 -0500
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-17 18:51 +0000
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-18 10:48 +1300
              Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-17 18:44 +0000
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2015-01-17 19:08 +0000
                Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-01-17 20:22 +0000
          Factories and Builders [was Re: lambdak...] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-16 16:08 +1100
            Re: Factories and Builders [was Re: lambdak...] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-01-17 10:25 +1300
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 22:29 -0700
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-01-15 21:42 -0800
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-01-16 09:23 -0700
  Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 09:19 -0800
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 18:18 -0800
      Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 18:48 -0800
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-01-16 03:02 +0000
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 19:14 -0800
        Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-01-16 15:16 +1100
          Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 20:58 -0800
  Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 19:06 -0800
    Re: lambdak: multi-line lambda implementation in native Python Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> - 2015-01-15 19:20 -0800

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