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Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty

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On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Rick Johnson
<rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really don't like to read docs when learning a language, especially a "so-called" high level language. I prefer to learn the language by interactive sessions and object introspection. Then, when i have exhausted all abilities to intuit the solution, i will roll my eyes, maybe blubber an expletive, and then reluctantly crack open a user manual.


What Rick means: "I want to claim that I've learned a new language,
but I want it to work exactly like the imaginary language in my mind,
and if it doesn't, I'm going to complain about it, rather than,
yaknow, actually learn a new language."

I have learned *many* languages in the past couple of decades. Some of
them are excellent and I keep using them (Pike). Others are excellent
and I keep talking about them (Python). Some are mediocre or poor, but
I keep using them anyway (bash). Some are not particularly enjoyable
to me and I use them only in the one application that embeds them
(Lua, Scheme, DML). And some, I'm just not going to touch any more
(Q-BASIC). But there is not a single language that hasn't taught me
something new. I'm a better C++ programmer for having learned Python;
a better Python programmer for having grokked Scheme and Lua; and,
believe it or not, a better Scheme programmer for having mastered DML.
And that's a language so obscure it doesn't even have a Wikipedia
page... just a redlink here[1].

Learning a language requires accepting something from it into your
brain, not forcing something from your brain onto the language.

ChrisA

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages_by_type#Extension_languages

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  Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-09 14:36 +1100
    Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 19:54 -0800
      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 15:20 +1100
      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 20:53 -0800
        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 01:29 +1100
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-02-10 14:03 -0500
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 11:11 +1100
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 13:28 -0800
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 11:10 +1100
              Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 17:14 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 08:51 +1100
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 14:01 -0800
      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-10 03:39 -0500
        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 10:45 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-10 16:44 -0500
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 11:11 +1100
        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 10:45 -0800
      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-10 22:29 +1100
        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 00:24 +1100
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 01:00 +1100
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        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 15:59 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-02-10 18:12 -0600
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 17:24 -0800
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 17:24 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 11:36 +1100
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-02-11 02:03 +0000
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 04:53 -0800
              Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-12 00:27 +1100
                Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 20:55 -0800
                Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 21:28 -0800
                Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-12 12:46 -0800
                Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-12 12:46 -0800
                Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 20:55 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 18:05 -0800
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-02-11 07:19 +0000
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 18:24 +1100
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-02-11 07:35 +0000
            Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Tim Chase <tim@thechases.com> - 2013-02-11 06:04 -0600
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        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 16:25 -0800
          Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-11 11:42 +1100
        Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 16:25 -0800
      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 10:45 -0800
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      Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-12 19:06 +1100
  Re: LangWart: Method congestion from mutate multiplicty Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-02-10 20:53 +1100
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