Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2

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Date	2013-05-08 19:35 -0700
Subject	Re: Message passing syntax for objects \| OOPv2
From	Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Mark Janssen
<dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark, this proposal is out of place on a Python list, because it proposes an
>> object methodology radically different from any that is implemented in
>> Python now, or is even remotely likely to be implemented in Python in the
>> future.
>
> Wow, you guys are a bunch of ninnies.  I'm going to find some
> theoretical folks....

Okay, to anyone who might be listening, I found the core of the problem.

This issue is/was much deeper than OOP (which would be roughly a 20
year refactoring) -- that was my mistake.  The issue goes right to the
core to models of computation and the historical factions within
theoretical CS itself (a 50+ year refactoring).

The field needs re-invented and re-centered.  Mark my words.  There
has been a half-century of confusion between two entirely separate
domains and they've been using the same lexicon.  Long story short:
the lambda calculus folks have to split from the Turing machine folks.
 These models of computation should not use the same language.  Their
computation models are too radically different.  Lisp will remain a
pinnacle of the lambda calculus, but should be remanded to philosophy.
 The logic of the binary/boolean arithmetic is simply not compatible,
but forms the basis of any sensible computer science here in the West.

Here pronouncith the.... whatever

-- 
MarkJ
Tacoma, Washington

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Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 19:35 -0700
  Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 20:26 -0700
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 20:53 -0700
  Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-09 05:39 +0000
    Alternate computational models can be harmonious (was Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 04:56 -0700
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 14:41 -0700

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