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Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:58:37PM -0700, rantingrick wrote:
> My hat is off to you Mr. Richardson. I've even considered creating my
> own clean versions of these two modules, because heck, it is not that
> difficult to do! However we must stop fixing these warts on a local
> level Corey. We MUST clean up this damn python stdlib once and for
> all.

One could get the impression that you are leading a grass-roots movement
fighting a big faceless corporation. Instead, what you're dealing with is this
warm and friendly Python community you could as well be a part of if you are a
reasonable guy and write good code.

> I am willing and you are willing; that's two people. However, can we
> convince the powers that be to upgrade these modules? Sure, if we get
> enough people shouting for it to happen they will notice. So come on
> people make your voices heard. Chime in and let the devs know we are
> ready to unite and tackle these problems in our stdlib.

Yeah, great. Please write code. Or a PEP.

> What this community needs (first and foremost) is some positive
> attitudes. If you don't want to write the code fine. But at least
> chime in and say... "Hey guys, that's a good idea! I would like to see
> some of these APIs cleaned up too. good luck! +1"

+1

> Now, even if we get one hundred people chanting... "Yes, Yes, Fix This
> Mess!"... i know Guido and company are going to frown because of
> backwards incompatibility. But let me tell you something people, the
> longer we put off these changes the more painful they are going to
> be.

And backwards compatibility is bad why? Tell me, what exactly is your view
towards this? Should there be none?

> Python 3000 would have been the perfect time to introduce a more
> intuitive and unified zip/tar archive module however that did not
> happen. So now we need to think about adding a duplicate module
> "archive.py" and deprecating zipfile.py and tarfile.py. We can remove
> the old modules when Python 4000 rolls out.
> 
> That's just step one people, we have a long way to go!

archive.py is no new idea. Unfortunately, to this day, nobody had the time to
come up with an implementation.

Let me say it again: less false pathos, more code. Please.

-- 
Lars Gustäbel
lars@gustaebel.de

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
(Mark Twain)

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[PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 20:46 -0700
  Re: [PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Corey Richardson <kb1pkl@aim.com> - 2011-07-22 00:13 -0400
    Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 21:48 -0700
      Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Corey Richardson <kb1pkl@aim.com> - 2011-07-22 01:05 -0400
        Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 22:58 -0700
          Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Lars Gustäbel <lars@gustaebel.de> - 2011-07-22 10:49 +0200
            Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-22 10:38 -0700
      Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-07-22 01:45 -0400
        Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 23:40 -0700
          Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Corey Richardson <kb1pkl@aim.com> - 2011-07-22 03:19 -0400
          Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-07-22 15:33 -0400
          Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2011-07-22 14:17 -0700
          Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-07-22 20:31 -0400
      Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Ryan Kelly <ryan@rfk.id.au> - 2011-07-22 15:56 +1000
  Re: [PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Lars Gustäbel <lars@gustaebel.de> - 2011-07-22 10:26 +0200
    Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-07-22 10:11 -0700
      Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-07-23 03:23 +1000
      Re: Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-07-23 03:25 +1000
  Re: [PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Thomas Jollans <t@jollybox.de> - 2011-07-22 12:31 +0200
  Re: [PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-07-22 06:25 -0500
  Re: [PyWart 1001] Inconsistencies between zipfile and tarfile APIs Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-07-22 15:49 -0400

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