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Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature

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Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> writes:

> So you are right: the custom __init__ in the BootstrapDesktop class is
> not really needed, and does not do anything useful in that particular
> class.

I disagree: setting initial attributes is a normal and useful case for
defining a custom initialiser.

> My original statement was this: "I have to initialize some default
> attributes", and for that I need to pass arguments.

Yes. If you need to initialise the instance, that's what a custom
‘__init__’ is for.

> The truthness of this statement is not affected by adding a useless
> override of a method (with the very same parameters). Even though I
> see that you are right in what you wrote, I think I don't understand
> the point because it seem unrelated.

My point was rather that if the custom initialiser does *nothing* except
call the superclass's initialiser, then there's no purpose to writing
the custom initialiser.


If you're writing a custom initialiser that handles two additional
parameters, then those parameters should not be present when you call
the super() method's initialiser::

    # You specified Python 3, which allows simpler syntax.

    class LoremIpsum:
        def __init__(self, spam, *args, **kwargs):
            do_something_important_with(spam)
            super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)

    class DolorSitAmet(LoremIpsum):
        def __init__(self, spam, eggs=4, beans=None, *args, **kwargs):
            self.eggs = eggs
            self.beans = beans
            super().__init__(spam, *args, **kwargs)

So the sub-class follows the Liskov Substitution Principle: every
DolorSitAmet instance should be substitutable for LoremIpsum instances,
and users that only expect a LoremIpsum instance should not need to know
any difference.

This entails that its methods (in this case the initialiser) will accept
the same parameters as ‘LoremIpsum.__init__’, and do the same things
with those parameters. We make that explicit by omitting the
*additional* parameters that we already handled, ‘eggs’ and ‘beans’,
from the next call in the chain.

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Ben Finney

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Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-05-31 18:10 +0200
  Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-06-01 12:18 +1000
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-03 14:10 +0200
      Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-06-04 13:06 +1200
        Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-06-04 12:51 +1000
          Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-06-04 23:50 +1200
        Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 23:05 -0600
          Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-06-04 23:52 +1200
            Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-06-04 23:46 +1000
              Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-04 16:42 +0200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-06-03 22:21 +1000
      Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-06-04 13:10 +1200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-03 14:14 +0200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-03 14:57 +0200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-03 16:06 +0200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:39 -0600
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:33 +0000
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Nagy László Zsolt <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2016-06-03 17:59 +0200
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 16:28 +0000
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-06-04 06:16 +1000
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-06-04 06:19 +1000
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:53 -0600
    Re: Multiple inheritance, super() and changing signature Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-06-04 10:44 +1000

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