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Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types!

Date	2012-02-24 09:23 -0700
From	Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Subject	Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types!
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On 02/24/2012 08:34 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Yes i could write my own implementation of INFINITY if i wanted,
> although i would have returned True and False as apposed to 1 and 0
> AND used the identifiers Infinity and Infinitesimal, but i digress :-
> P.
> 
> However, INFINITY is something i believe a language should provide;
> which python does, albeit inconsistently.

How do you represent infinity as an binary integer number?  Or are you
suggesting that the integer type (class) be modified to allow an
"infinity" state that really isn't a number at all (could not be stored
as a integer in C)?

Float is a different story because IEEE does define a binary
representation of infinity in the floating-point specification.

I know of no language that has any form of representation of infinity
for integers mainly because there's no way to represent infinity as a
standard twos-compliment binary number.  In a language that deals
directly with types in memory such as C, having an infinity
representation would be possible but would make simple math really hard,
and much slower.

All this reminds me of the original cray supercomputers.  They didn't
use twos compliment for integers so they had two representations of zero
(+0 and -0).  Made programming a bit tricky.  When asked why the cray
didn't just do two's compliment like everyone else, Seymour Cray
responded that when the computer was designed he simply didn't know
about twos compliment.

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PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 05:37 -0800
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-24 13:55 +0000
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 06:14 -0800
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-02-24 14:25 +0000
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 07:25 -0800
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 12:32 -0500
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 18:26 -0700
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Miki Tebeka <miki.tebeka@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 06:39 -0800
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 07:18 -0800
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2012-02-24 10:21 -0500
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-24 15:31 +0000
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 07:34 -0800
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 09:23 -0700
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-24 22:45 +0000
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-24 16:59 +0000
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 16:16 -0700
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 11:09 +1100
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-25 00:35 +0000
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 12:25 -0800
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-02-25 00:37 +0000
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 17:32 +0200
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Fayaz Yusuf Khan <fayaz.yusuf.khan@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 06:52 +0530
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-25 01:50 +0000
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 12:29 -0800
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 18:32 -0800
          Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-27 03:51 +0000
            Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-27 14:59 +1100
            Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 22:49 -0800
  Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Wolfgang Meiners <WolfgangMeiners01@web.de> - 2012-02-25 09:18 +0100
    Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-02-25 17:54 +0000
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 12:35 -0800
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Wolfgang Meiners <WolfgangMeiners01@web.de> - 2012-02-26 14:16 +0100
          Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Wolfgang Meiners <WolfgangMeiners01@web.de> - 2012-02-26 14:38 +0100
            Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 13:44 +0000
          Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-26 13:50 +0000
          Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-02-27 12:25 +0000
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanmichel@sequans.com> - 2012-02-27 12:55 +0100
      Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Wolfgang Meiners <WolfgangMeiners01@web.de> - 2012-02-26 12:56 +0100
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 23:52 +1100
          Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Wolfgang Meiners <WolfgangMeiners01@web.de> - 2012-02-26 14:32 +0100
        Re: PyWart: Language missing maximum constant of numeric types! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-26 13:19 +0000

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