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Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file

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Good evening/morning Ben,

>> > I am unconcerned with whether there is a real filesystem entry of
>> > that name; the goal entails having no filesystem activity for this.
>> > I want a valid unique filesystem path, without touching the
>> > filesystem.
>>
>> Your phrasing is ambiguous.
>
>The existing behaviour of ‘tempfile.mktemp’ – actually of its 
>internal class ‘tempfile._RandomNameSequence’ – is to generate 
>unpredictable, unique, valid filesystem paths that are different 
>each time.
>
>That's the behaviour I want, in a public API that exposes what 
>‘tempfile’ already has implemented, documented in a way that 
>doesn't create a scare about security.

If your code is not actually touching the filesystem, then it will 
not be affected by the race condition identified in the 
tempfile.mktemp() warning anyway.  So, I'm unsure of your worry.

>> But if you explain in more detail why you want this filename, perhaps
>> we can come up with some ideas that will help.
>
>The behaviour is already implemented in the standard library. What 
>I'm looking for is a way to use it (not re-implement it) that is 
>public API and isn't scolded by the library documentation.

I might also suggest the (bound) method _create_tmp() on class 
mailbox.Maildir, which achieves roughly the same goals, but for a 
permanent file.

Of course, that particular method also touches the filesystem.  The 
Maildir naming approach is based on the assumptions* that time is 
monotonically increasing, that system nodes never share the same 
name and that you don't need more than 1 uniquely named file per 
directory per millisecond.

If so, then you can use the 9 or 10 lines of that method.

Good luck,

-Martin

  * I was tempted to joke about these two guarantees, but I think 
    that undermines my basic message.  To wit, you can probably rely 
    on this naming technique about as much as you can rely on your 
    system clock.  I'll assume that you aren't naming all of your 
    nodes 'franklin.p.gundersnip'.

-- 
Martin A. Brown
http://linux-ip.net/

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Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-02-15 11:08 +1100
  Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2016-02-15 01:07 +0000
    Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-02-15 12:19 +1100
      Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-15 15:54 +1100
        Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-02-15 16:25 +1100
        Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 18:26 -0800
      Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-02-15 21:00 +1300
        Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-16 01:18 +0100
      Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-15 15:49 +0000
  Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-15 15:06 +1100
    Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-02-15 15:28 +1100
      Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-02-15 21:11 +1300
      Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-02-16 02:14 +0000
    Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file "Martin A. Brown" <martin@linux-ip.net> - 2016-02-14 20:48 -0800

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