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Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters

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On 8/4/2014 1:39 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 8/3/2014 6:52 PM, Wiktor wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as OO programming exercise, I'm trying to port to Python one of my 
>> favorite
>> game from early'90 (Atari 65XL/XE) - Kolony (here's video from original
>> version on C64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFycYOp2cbE, and here's
>
> This appears to be an actual text screen, no graphics.
>
>> video from modern rewritten (for Atari emulators) version: Kolony 2106
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX20Qqqm5eg - you get the idea? ;-)).
>
> This appears to be text boxes on a graphics screen.
>
>> OO Design is one thing, but I want to make it look as near as 
>> possible to
>> the original (those windows-like menus in console window).
>
> Which original? the C64 or Atari.  The important characteristic of 
> both is that both have multiple overlapping popup boxes. This means 
> that either you or a widget framework much keep track of stacking 
> order and how to restore what was hidden when a box goes away or is 
> moved down in the stacking order. I would not be surprised if the 
> Atari had at least a rudimentary widget framework.
>
> > I tried to use
>> 'standard' Unicode characters (I can see that most of my Windows 
>> monospaced
>> fonts have them) to draw frame around menu. Something like this:
>>
>>   ┌──────────────╖
>>   │ Construction ║
>>   │ Production   ║
>>   │ Research     ║
>>   │ Exploration  ║
>>   ├··············╢
>>   │ Next turn    ║
>>   ╘══════════════╝
>>
>> (I like the look of double lines on right and at the bottom)
>> But when I try to print those characters, I get an error:
>>
>> | Traceback (most recent call last):
>> |   File "E:\Moje dokumenty\python\kolony\menu.py", line 14, in <module>
>> |     """
>> |   File "C:\Python34\lib\encodings\cp852.py", line 19, in encode
>> |     return codecs.charmap_encode(input,self.errors,encoding_map)[0]
>> | UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u2556' 
>> in position 1
>> | 6: character maps to <undefined>
>
> You have two separate problems with running in the windows console.
>
> 1. The character issue. If you run a program to just print the above 
> from an Idle editor, so that the output is printed to the Idle shell, 
> there should be no problem.
> >>> print('\u2556'*10)
> ╖╖╖╖╖╖╖╖╖╖
> But characters are not your real issue.
>
> 2. The random access issue. The MS console in normal use is like a 
> serial printer or terminal. Once a line is printed, it cannot be 
> changed. I looked at the video and the program randomly accesses a 24 
> or 25 line x 80 column screen, overprinting existing characters at 
> will and reversing black on white versus white of black at will.  
> MSDOS screens recognized standard ANSI screen control codes once the 
> ANSI.SYS driver was installed, which was fairly normal. But cmd.exe is 
> actually a regression from MS-DOS in that it apparently will not allow 
> this.  Or it is a hugh pain.
>
> You could get a program that emulates a full-screen ANSI terminal, and 
> learn to use ANSI control codes.  Or you could use a tkinter (tk) Text 
> widget. People have written at least serial terminal emulators for 
> Text, but I did not find a full-screen.
>
> Using tkinter, I would try making each box a separate text box placed 
> in a frameand let tkinter worry about displaying them correctly and 
> detecting which box get a mouse click or <enter> key.
>
I've never used the API from Python but random console access is 
documented at 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms687404%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

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cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-04 00:52 +0200
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-04 09:08 +1000
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-04 22:35 +0200
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-04 00:20 +0100
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-08-03 18:25 -0500
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-04 00:29 +0100
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-04 09:39 +1000
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-04 10:14 +1000
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-03 17:17 -0700
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-08-04 01:47 -0700
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-03 21:14 -0700
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-08-04 00:06 -0500
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-04 04:39 -0400
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-04 17:00 +0200
      Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2014-08-04 17:43 +0200
        Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-04 18:48 +0200
          Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 03:06 +1000
            Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-04 19:22 +0200
              Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-04 15:43 -0400
      Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-04 15:17 -0400
        Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-04 22:24 +0200
          Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Akira Li <4kir4.1i@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 04:51 +0400
            Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-08-05 00:38 -0700
            Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-05 11:39 +0200
      Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 06:11 +1000
      Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters giacomo boffi <g@boffi.net> - 2014-08-04 22:53 +0200
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-08-04 10:46 +0200
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-04 02:46 -0700
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-04 02:53 -0700
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2014-08-04 12:24 +0200
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-08-04 05:33 -0500
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-04 11:04 -0700
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-04 11:15 -0700
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-04 19:30 +0000
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-04 15:25 -0400
  Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2014-08-05 20:26 +0000
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 20:41 +0000
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Wiktor <look@signature.invalid> - 2014-08-06 00:16 +0200
      Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2014-08-06 18:27 +0000
    Re: cmd.exe on WIndows - problem with displaying some Unicode characters wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-08-05 23:30 -0700

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