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Date Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:57:58 +1100
Subject Re: Brython - Python in the browser
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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Pierre Quentel
<pierre.quentel@gmail.com> wrote:
> With the tree syntax proposed in Brython it would just be
>
> doc <= DIV('hello '+B('world'))
>
> If "pythonic" means concise and readable, which one is more pythonic ?

Pythonic also means:
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.

What, exactly, does the sum of a string and a bolded string produce?
Can you explain that easily and clearly? Don't forget that humans, as
well as machines, will expect to be able to parse what's inside the
parentheses without looking outside them.

The DOM structure is, undeniably, quite verbose. But you could go for
something with the same tree structure while a lot less wordy by
simply returning self from lots of methods, thus allowing method
chaining - something like this:

https://github.com/Rosuav/Gypsum/blob/master/window.pike#L247

Note how the tree structure is defined by the parentheses, with
->add(...) calls creating children. (That's Pike, not Python, as I
don't have a good Python example handy. The -> operator does more or
less what Python's . does.) Now, I can conceive of a kind of API - an
ideal API, the creature of my fancy, you know - which would be totally
unobjectionable. An API, for instance, which would abolish taxes and
make everything cheap, except gondolas... oh wait, wrong mailing list.

To produce the HTML code

<DIV>hello <B>world</B></DIV>

you might use:

doc.add(Tag('DIV').add('hello ').add(Tag('B').add('world')))

And you can easily wrap that to suit, since it's surrounded by parentheses:

doc.add(
  Tag('DIV')
    .add('hello ')
    .add(Tag('B').add('world'))
)

There's no magic with operators, just simple method chaining. It's a
bit more verbose than your proposed tree syntax, but not nearly as bad
as the JS version; and it's not magical.

Reject the idea if you will, but do at least please consider it :)

ChrisA

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  Re: Brython - Python in the browser jkn <jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk> - 2012-12-19 14:59 -0800
  Re: Brython - Python in the browser Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 19:07 -0500
    Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 01:37 -0800
      Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 20:56 +1100
      Re: Brython - Python in the browser Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 18:59 -0500
        Re: Brython - Python in the browser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-21 02:05 +0000
          Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 16:07 +1100
        Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:16 -0800
          Re: Brython - Python in the browser Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2012-12-21 17:52 +0100
          Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 11:31 -0700
            Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 12:59 -0800
              Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 14:17 -0700
            Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 12:59 -0800
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    Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 01:37 -0800
  Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 17:54 -0700
    Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 01:42 -0800
      Re: Brython - Python in the browser Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2012-12-21 12:25 +0100
        Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 04:38 -0800
          Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 23:57 +1100
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              Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 02:48 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:36 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 09:52 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 16:45 -0700
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                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 16:51 -0700
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 23:59 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 23:59 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 16:57 -0700
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 11:08 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 23:57 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 19:31 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 00:54 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 20:08 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-22 11:05 +0000
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 23:11 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-12-22 20:31 +0000
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 13:53 -0700
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-23 08:49 +1100
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 00:54 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 23:57 -0800
                Re: Brython - Python in the browser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 11:09 +1100
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            Re: Brython - Python in the browser Pierre Quentel <pierre.quentel@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 07:36 -0800
          Re: Brython - Python in the browser Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-12-21 13:14 +0000
            Re: Brython - Python in the browser Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2012-12-21 14:34 +0100
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        Re: Brython - Python in the browser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-22 02:31 +0000
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  Re: Brython - Python in the browser Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 21:46 -0500
  Re: Brython - Python in the browser Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-12-20 11:32 +0000
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