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| Date | Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:38:08 +1000 |
| From | Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> |
| To | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
| Subject | Re: None versus MISSING sentinel -- request for design feedback |
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On 15Jul2011 20:17, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
| Cameron Simpson wrote:
| > I suppose there's no scope for having the append-to-the-list step sanity
| > check for the sentinel (be it None or otherwise)?
|
| It is not my responsibility to validate data during construction, only to do
| the right thing when given that data. The right thing being, raise an
| exception if values are not numeric, unless an explicit "missing" value
| (whatever that ends up being).
Well there you go. You need to use MISSING, not None. As you say, None
can easily be a mistake and you want to be sure. If what you describe as
"right" is right, then I too would be using a special sentinal instead
of None.
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