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Re: How well do you know Python?

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Steven D'Aprano writes:

> On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 07:51 pm, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
>
>> Chris Angelico writes:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
>>>> It looks like
>>>>
>>>> $ python3 -c 'print({1, 2})'
>>>> {1, 2}
>>>> $ python3 -c 'print({2, 1})'
>>>> {1, 2}
>>>>
>>>> will always print the same output. Can you construct a set from two
>>>> small integers where this is not the case? What's the difference?
>>>
>>> Given that the display (iteration) order of sets is arbitrary, I'm not
>>> sure what the significance would ever be, but my guess is that the
>>> display order would be the same for any given set, if constructed this
>>> way. But it sounds as if you know of a set that behaves differently.
>> 
>> The first thing that came to mind, {-1,-2} and {-2,-1}.
>> 
>> But I haven't a clue. It doesn't happen with -1 and -3, or with another
>> pair that I tried, and it doesn't seem to be about object identity.
>
> The hash of most small ints is equal to the int itself:
>
> py> for i in range(100):
> ...     assert hash(i) == i
> ...
> py>
>
> With one exception:
>
> py> hash(-2)
> -2
> py> hash(-1)
> -2

Thanks. That must be the explanation. I tried object identity but I did
not think of comparing hashes directly.

Amusing that I didn't know this, yet I happened to think of just this
one pair of numbers. Literally the first thing that I thought to try,
and it turns out to be the only thing.

> That's because in the C implementation of hash, -1 is used to indicate
> an error.
>
>>>> What happens if you replace the ints with strings? Why?
>>>
>>> Then hash randomization kicks in, and you can run the exact same
>>> line of code multiple times and get different results. It's a coin
>>> toss.
>> 
>> Oh, nice, a new way to generate random bits in shell scripts.
>
> O_o
>
> You're joking, right?

Er, ok, better not escalate this: Of course I am.

> I'll just leave this here...
>
> https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/secrets.html

Ok.

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Re: How well do you know Python? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 19:21 +1000
  Re: How well do you know Python? Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-07-05 12:51 +0300
    Re: How well do you know Python? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-07-05 20:46 +1000
      Re: How well do you know Python? Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-07-06 09:19 +0300
    Re: How well do you know Python? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <lawrencedo99@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:08 -0700

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