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Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC

From Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC
Date 2014-01-31 06:28 +0000
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:37:16 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:08:46 +0000, Dan Sommers wrote about temperatures:
> 
>> And -1 K.
> 
> You josh, but there are negative temperatures in Kelvin. They're hotter 
> than infinitely hot.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature

That's what I get for stopping with an undergraduate degree in physics.

Thanks for the link; I learned something interesting today.

ObPython:  My program retrieves temperatures (in Kelvins) from an
external device (the details of which I am not at liberty to discuss)
and stores them in the cloud (because that's where all the cool kids
store data these days), and there's something really weird going on.

Here's my code and the output, filtered through http://sscce.org/:

    $ cat ./program.py

    import cloudstorageinterface

    temperature1 = cloudstorageinterface.get_a_temperature()
    temperature2 = cloudstorageinterface.get_a_temperature()

    print('temperature1 is', temperature1, 'K')
    print('temperature2 is', temperature2, 'K')

    if temperature2 > temperature1:
	print('temperature2 is hotter than temperature1')

    if temperature2 < temperature1:
	print('temperature1 is hotter than temperature2')

    if temperature2 == temperature1:
	print("this can't happen")

    $ python ./program.py
    temperature1 is -100 K
    temperature2 is 100 K
    temperature2 is hotter than temperature1

But everyone knows that -100K is hotter than 100K.  I tried converting
to UTC, but that didn't help.  What am I missing?

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pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 11:29 -0600
  Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-29 19:02 +0000
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-29 19:17 -0500
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 11:28 +1100
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-29 20:50 -0500
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-30 02:40 +0000
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 14:27 +1100
      Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-30 00:45 -0800
        Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-30 11:51 +0000
        Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-30 15:21 +0000
          Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-01-31 04:08 +0000
            Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-31 04:37 +0000
              Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-01-31 06:28 +0000
                Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 17:42 +1100
                Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-02-01 06:30 +0000
              Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-31 10:00 -0500
            Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-31 09:59 +0000
          Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 12:45 +0000
            Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-02-02 06:38 -0800
            Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-02-02 16:03 +0000
        Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:02 -0800
          Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-31 02:17 -0800
            Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-31 14:50 +0000
              Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-31 10:04 -0500
                Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 15:08 +0000
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-01-30 19:44 +1300
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Christian Heimes <christian@python.org> - 2014-01-30 10:49 +0100
      Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-30 02:10 -0800
      Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-30 15:23 +0000
        Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 10:28 -0500
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 21:10 +1100
    Re: pytz question: GMT vs. UTC Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-30 20:18 -0500

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