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Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception

From Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception
Date 2013-09-26 11:46 +0300
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Στις 26/9/2013 11:39 πμ, ο/η Νίκος έγραψε:
> Στις 26/9/2013 11:12 πμ, ο/η Jussi Piitulainen έγραψε:
>> Νίκος writes:
>>
>>> Σ�ις 26/9/2013 10:48 πμ, ο/η Jussi Piitulainen
>>> έγ�α�ε: > ί�ος writes:
>>>>
>>>>> How can i wrote the two following lines so for NOT to throw out
>>>>> KeyErrors when a key is missing?
>>>>>
>>>>> city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] ) or
>>>> ...
>>>>> I was under the impression that the 'or' operator was handling this
>>>>> in case one operand was failing but its not the case here.
>>>>
>>>> "f(x) or g(x)" raises an exception if "f(x)" raises an exception, or
>>>> if "f(x)" returns a false value and "g(x)" raises an exception.
>>>>
>>>>> Then i thought of os.environ.get() to default to something but then
>>>>> again we have 3 operand in the expression.
>>>>
>>>> Adapt this:
>>>>
>>>>     >>> {}.get('foo') or {'empty':''}.get('empty') or 'catchall'
>>>>     'catchall'
>>>>
>>>> Or nest the calls this way if an empty string is a valid value:
>>>>
>>>>     >>> {}.get('foo', {'empty':''}.get('empty', 'catchall'))
>>>>     ''
>>>>
>>>> This will compute the default values even when they are not used.
>>>
>>> I'am sorry but i do not understand the last statements at all so i
>>> can have chnace to adapt them.
>>
>> Do you know what {} is?
>>
>> Do you know what {}.get('foo') is?
>>
>> Do you know what x.get('foo') is if x is {}?
>>
>> Do you know what {'empty':''}.get('empty') is?
>>
>> Do you know what {'empty':''}.get('fruit') is?
>>
>> Do you know what (None or '' or 'catchall') is?
>>
>> Do you know what {}.get('foo', 'bar') is?
>>
>> Do you know what {}.get('foo', {}.get('bar', 'huh')) is?
>>
>> Do you know what ('foo'[3] or 'else') does?
>>
>> Do you know what ('foo' or 'else'[5]) does?
>>
>> Do you know how to launch an interactive Python session where you can
>> play with such expressions until you get the hang of it? There is no
>> substitute for that experience.
>>
>> Do you know that you can ask for help({}.get) or help(dict.get) or
>> even help(os.environ.get) during such an interactive Python session,
>> and Python (unlike Macbeth's spirits from the vasty deep) will answer?
>>
> You dont have to be ironic. I dont have the experience you do.
>
> Up until now i have this:
>
> city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] ) or
> gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] ) or "Άγνωστη Πόλη"
>
>
> can this be written as:
>
> city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ.get('HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP',
> os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )) or "Άγνωστη Πόλη"
>
> It makes it more easily for me to understand this way.

Let me try be more specific:

i want to switch this:

city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] ) or 
gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] ) or "Άγνωστη Πόλη"

host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP'] )[0] or 
socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] or "Άγνωστη Προέλευση"

because it raises KeyError exceptions to this:

city = gi.time_zone_by_addr( os.environ.get('HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP', 
'REMOTE_ADDR') )    or "Άγνωστη Πόλη"

host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ.get('HTTP_CF_CONNECTING_IP', 
'REMOTE_ADDR') )[0] or "Άγνωστη Προέλευση"

But that doesnt seem to also work.
I want to use the get method because i know if it doesnt does detect a 
dictionary key item than default back what we give it.

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Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 10:26 +0300
  Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-26 10:48 +0300
    Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 10:51 +0300
      Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-26 11:12 +0300
        Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 11:39 +0300
          Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 11:46 +0300
            Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 11:50 +0300
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-26 12:20 +0300
          Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-26 12:04 +0300
            Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 12:45 +0300
          Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 11:07 +0200
            Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 12:31 +0300
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2013-09-26 02:52 -0700
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 12:01 +0200
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 11:53 +0100
          Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 10:05 +1000
        Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 18:41 +1000
        Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-09-26 09:47 +0100
  Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-09-26 09:55 +0100
    Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 12:56 +0300
      Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 12:12 +0200
        Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 13:18 +0300
          Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 12:41 +0200
            Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 13:51 +0300
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 13:07 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 14:25 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 13:47 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 14:42 +0000
              Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-26 11:24 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 15:39 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-26 14:53 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 16:34 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-26 14:22 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 19:58 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 20:16 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 01:14 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-26 22:55 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 12:19 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-27 09:26 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 13:04 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-27 10:43 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 14:15 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-27 12:17 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 15:51 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 10:29 -0700
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 15:16 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-27 16:04 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 19:47 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-27 16:56 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-27 17:00 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 13:19 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-27 18:32 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 18:49 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-27 18:54 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 15:21 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 01:06 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-27 22:26 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 12:33 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 20:19 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 16:23 +0300
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                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 19:14 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 18:53 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 14:21 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-09-28 15:38 -0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-30 11:32 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 21:53 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-30 12:56 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 19:45 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-28 19:20 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 09:04 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 10:35 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-29 12:35 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-29 09:48 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-29 14:04 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:14 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-29 11:27 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:34 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 21:15 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 16:07 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-09-29 15:24 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-29 09:50 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 13:17 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-29 10:57 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 23:58 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 21:01 +0000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:06 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-29 12:48 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-09-29 13:24 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-09-29 18:44 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:45 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 16:05 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-09-29 11:35 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 11:59 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 12:14 +0300
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-28 15:53 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 12:15 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 12:18 +0100
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2013-09-29 17:28 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 12:07 -0400
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2013-09-29 23:39 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2013-09-29 23:49 +0200
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 02:18 +1000
                Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-26 20:37 +0000
      Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 14:38 +0000
      Re: Handling 3 operands in an expression without raising an exception Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 14:38 +0000
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