Re: Use 'python2' or 'python3', explicit is better than implicit (was: l = range(int(1E9)))

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Date	2015-04-30 19:24 -0700
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Subject	Re: Use 'python2' or 'python3', explicit is better than implicit (was: l = range(int(1E9)))
From	Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>

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On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 4:50:45 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> Chris Angelico  writes:
> 
> > Very easily and simply: Python 3 and Python 2 will always install
> > separately, and the only possible conflicts are over the "python"
> > command in PATH and which program is associated with ".py" files.
> 
> Using the 'python' command is now ambiguous, and with Python 2 slipping
> inexorably into the past, increasingly the 'python' command is the wrong
> choice for Python programs that we want to survive in the future.
> 
> I am seeing a growing call, with which I agree, to recommend explicitly
> calling 'python2' or 'python3' as commands.

There was this recent exchange on the debian user list.
The OP asked a somewhat vague/generic question about recommendations for
programming books[0]

After some point when I put in
| 20 years ago I had written that C fries students' brains.
| If python had existed then I would have recommended it.[1]

Someone responded with:

| And yes, about the only *reasonable* way to understand Linux is to do
| write something which (ab)using syscalls. And that's something best done
| in C (maybe Perl).

| And please think of the children :) Teaching young ones something as
| volatile and ever-changing as Python (or, $DEITY forbid, Ruby) can be
| considered cruel and abusive :)  [2] [3]

From which I conclude that in the short term distinguishing python 2 from 3
may be convenient.
In the long term and in circles further away from those directly interested
in python... not clear (to me at least)

Coming to this question you rightly said:
> You seem to be asking for a way to stop a program doing exactly what
> it's written to do. I don't know what kind of answer you expect. 

which is to say if you explore pathology you will get pathological behavior.
What of it?

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[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg00497.html
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg00650.html
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg00660.html
[3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg00682.html

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l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 18:06 +0200
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-30 16:33 +0000
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 19:26 +0200
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-05-01 03:41 +1000
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 20:44 +0200
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Roel Schroeven <roel@roelschroeven.net> - 2015-04-30 21:40 +0200
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-04-30 16:55 +0000
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-05-01 03:20 +1000
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-01 15:20 +1000
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 08:08 +0200
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 16:26 +0100
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-02 16:40 +0100
          Re: l = range(int(1E9)) BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 17:17 +0100
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-02 17:39 +0100
              Re: l = range(int(1E9)) BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 19:34 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-02 20:15 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-05-02 22:26 +0300
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 20:51 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 17:21 -0400
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 15:31 -0600
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-05-02 21:40 +0000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-02 23:26 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 23:33 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 00:13 +0000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 20:07 -0600
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 03:16 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 21:16 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-03 21:30 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 19:36 +0100
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 21:15 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-03 21:29 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-02 19:26 -0400
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 00:01 +0000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-02 23:18 -0400
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 03:40 +0000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 21:05 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-02 19:51 -0400
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 22:51 -0600
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 21:21 +1000
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-05-02 22:15 +0300
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 20:32 +1000
              Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-03 20:59 +1000
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-02 18:41 -0400
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 19:28 +0200
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-04-30 13:02 -0400
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Gary Herron <gherron@digipen.edu> - 2015-04-30 10:05 -0700
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2015-04-30 17:12 +0000
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 20:50 +0200
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-30 21:53 +0100
          Re: l = range(int(1E9)) ElChino <elchino@cnn.cn> - 2015-04-30 23:23 +0200
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 08:45 +1000
              Re: l = range(int(1E9)) ElChino <elchino@cnn.cn> - 2015-05-01 01:03 +0200
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-05-01 09:12 +1000
              Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 07:04 +0200
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-05-01 13:15 +0200
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 14:22 +0200
                Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-01 22:00 -0400
            Use ‘python2’ or ‘python3’, explicit is better than implicit  (was: l = range(int(1E9))) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-05-01 09:19 +1000
              Re: Use 'python2' or 'python3', explicit is better than implicit  (was: l = range(int(1E9))) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-04-30 19:24 -0700
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 09:23 +1000
          Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 06:19 +0200
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-01 05:41 +0100
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 07:25 -0600
              Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 16:12 +0200
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Gisle Vanem <gvanem@yahoo.no> - 2015-04-30 20:23 +0200
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-04-30 18:48 +0000
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2015-04-30 14:59 -0400
        Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-04-30 22:18 +0200
          Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2015-04-30 16:41 -0500
            Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 07:19 +0200
  Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-01 14:42 +1000
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-05-01 07:13 +0200
    Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2015-05-02 21:28 +0000
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 15:32 -0600
      Re: l = range(int(1E9)) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-03 20:56 +1000

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