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Re: Python

Date	2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
Subject	Re: Python
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers, comp.lang.python
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From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
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On 12/18/25 14:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 04:25:35 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    But isn't  &&  and  ||  more better ? If the
>>     meaning is more obscure then it MUST be better !
> 
> Perfectly obvious. BTW any language that can't do bit operations should be
> drowned at birth.

   Oops, you missed my point entirely  :-)

>>     'R' ??? You must have some very special needs !
> 
> https://www.anaconda.com/blog/python-vs-r-data-science-ai-workflows
> 
> The article is biased but R at one time was more popular for machine
> learning. Python caught up rapidly. One of the problems with R is a sort
> of quirky syntax compared to most languages. With Python you can use
> TensorFlow and even if you don't know much about ML it looks like Python.


   *SORT OF* QUIRKY ??? :-)

   I've seen this GREAT language called "BrainFuck" you
   may be interested in  :-)

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
   https://gist.github.com/roachhd/dce54bec8ba55fb17d3a
   https://brainfuck.org/
   https://sourceforge.net/projects/pbfc/

   Hey, it's got a ".org" !!!


> Both are interpreted so aren't the speediest languages. R originally had
> an edge but as Python became more popular for ML packages like numpy were
> optimized.
> 
> Note: I draw a distinction between ML and LLMs. All the hype is for LLMs
> and I'm not sure the balloon won't burst. ML is the poor relation but I
> think it has more real value to offer in many domains.

   MOST of those balloons WILL burst ... don't expect
   more than one or two victors when everything shakes
   out. Umpteen TRILLIONS wasted by wannabes, a whole
   huge market segment will implode.

   And the needed hardware for good compact neural networks
   is ALMOST there now ... completely different approach
   and most likely to fit fairly decent AI into mobile bots.

   Yep, 'terminators' - expect those to be the FIRST big
   application ... human nature .......

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