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Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement

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On Friday, February 8, 2013 12:25:34 AM UTC-6, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > It is my strong opinion that all "unqualified" variables must be local to the containing block, func/meth, class, or module. To access any variable outside of the local scope a programmer MUST qualify that variable with the func, class, or module identifiers. Consider the following examples
> 
> Okay. Now start actually working with things, instead of just making
> toys. All your builtins now need to be qualified:
    
Chris you are very trollish, and a total tool of Deaprano, but you are damn funny sometimes and for that reason i still respond to you. ;-)

> __builtins__.print("There
> are",__builtins__.len(self.some_list),"members in this list,
> namely:",__builtins__.repr(self.some_list))

That's funny, and i laughed whilst reading it, but i do have to admit that i did not explain this detail. IMHO, all builtins should not be auto-imported, the programmer should import them either on a case by case basis, or do the global import:

     from builtins import print, len, repr
     from builtins import *  # This is not recommended!

This would serve two purposes (1) the reader would know which builtins where being used in this module (2) the names would be bound properly to the module namespace. But this does not answer your question, merely a side note

So your assertion is wrong. Built-ins /would/ be available at the module level with no qualification just as they are now. But they would also be available in /every/ namespace because how else would we use them Chris? 

It's very simple, when python encounters a unqualified symbol, it looks first for a match in the built-in symbols array, and if not match is found it then raises a NameError.

> Or are you going to make builtins and imports magically available as
> PHP-style superglobals?

Hmm, what are they now Chris? Python built-ins are known everywhere without qualification and require no import. I think super-global about sums it up.

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PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-07 20:30 -0800
  Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-02-07 23:21 -0700
  Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 17:25 +1100
    Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-07 23:23 -0800
      Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 18:28 +1100
    Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-02-07 23:23 -0800
    Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-08 22:29 +1100
      Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 22:38 +1100
  Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-08 22:45 +1100
    Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 21:25 -0700
      Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 18:42 -0800
        Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 17:27 +1100
        Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 13:32 -0500
        Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 12:15 -0700
        Re: PyWart: Namespace asinitiy and the folly of the global statement Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-12 08:11 +1100

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