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Re: Design thought for callbacks

From Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Design thought for callbacks
Date 2015-02-22 16:06 +0200
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Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>:

> I don't know about Java's Hotspot, but I do know that CPython's ref counting
> garbage collector has at least one advantage over the GC used by Jython and
> IronPython: unlike them, open files are closed as soon as they are no
> longer in use.

You can't depend on that kind of behavior. Dangling resources may or may
not be cleaned up, ever.

> Oh, a bit of trivia: Apple is abandoning their garbage collector and going
> back to a reference counter:
>
> https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a
>
> Word on Reddit is that Apple is concerned about performance and battery
> life.

That truly is a bit OT here.

> It's like explicitly closing a file, either with file.close() or a context
> manager.

Both methods are explicit. Closing files and other resources are not
directly related to GC.

Here's the thing: GC relieves your from dynamic memory management. You
are still on your own when it comes to other resources.

> We're not trying to scare beginners, we're a group of moderately
> experienced coders discussing "best practice" (or at least "reasonable
> practice") when using callbacks.

Who mentioned beginners? I'm abiding by the same best practices I'm
advocating.


Marko

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Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 08:13 -0500
  Re: Design thought for callbacks Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-21 20:57 +0000
    Re: Design thought for callbacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-02-21 23:57 +0200
      Re: Design thought for callbacks Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-22 13:04 +1100
        Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 13:11 +1100
          Re: Design thought for callbacks Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-22 15:38 +1100
            Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 17:21 +1100
              Re: Design thought for callbacks Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-22 21:32 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 22:14 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-23 00:45 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 01:01 +1100
        Re: Design thought for callbacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-02-22 09:52 +0200
          Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 19:17 +1100
            Re: Design thought for callbacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-02-22 10:34 +0200
              Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 19:58 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-02-22 11:14 +0200
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 21:21 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-02-22 12:28 +0100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-23 00:57 +1100
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-02-22 16:06 +0200
    Re: Design thought for callbacks Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 00:05 -0700
    Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-02-22 08:21 -0500
      Re: Design thought for callbacks Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-02-24 18:20 +1300
        Re: Design thought for callbacks random832@fastmail.us - 2015-02-24 00:29 -0500
          Re: Design thought for callbacks Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-02-25 10:19 +1300
            Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-02-25 07:50 -0500
              Re: Design thought for callbacks Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-02-26 18:36 +1300
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 05:58 -0500
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 12:54 -0700
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-26 12:00 -0800
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 06:06 -0500
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 06:04 -0500
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 08:34 -0700
                Re: Design thought for callbacks Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2015-03-08 14:30 -0400

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