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Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation (aka PEP 461)

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random832@fastmail.us:

> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 15:46, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> That is:
>> 
>>  1. ineffient (encode/decode shuffle)
>> 
>>  2. unnatural (strings usually have no place in protocols)
>
> That's not at all clear. Why _aren't_ these protocols considered text
> protocols? Why can't you add a string directly to headers?

Text expresses a written human language. In prosaic terms, a Python
string is a sequence of ISO 10646 characters, whose codepoints are not
octets.

Most network protocols are defined in terms of octets, although many of
them can carry textual, audio or video payloads (among others). So when
RFC 3507 (ICAP) shows an example starting:

   RESPMOD icap://icap.example.org/satisf ICAP/1.0
   Host: icap.example.org
   Encapsulated: req-hdr=0, res-hdr=137, res-body=296

it consists of 8-bit octets and not some human language.

In practical terms, you get the bytes off the socket as, well, bytes. It
makes little sense to "decode" those bytes into a string for
manipulation. Manipulating bytes directly is both more efficient and
more natural from the point of view of the standard.

Many internet protocols happen to look like text. It makes it nicer for
human network programmers to work with them. However, they are primarily
meant for computers, and the message formats are really a form of binary
code.


Marko

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Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-02-24 11:54 -0800
  Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-02-24 22:46 +0200
    Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-02-24 16:04 -0500
      Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-02-25 00:18 +0200
        Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-24 23:55 +0000
          Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-02-25 00:07 -0800
            Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 08:29 +0000
    Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-02-24 13:53 -0800
  Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-24 23:55 +0000
    Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-02-24 16:10 -0800
      Re: Python 3.5, bytes, and %-interpolation  (aka PEP 461) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-25 07:29 +0000

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