Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates)

From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates)
Date	2015-02-20 13:17 -0800
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Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> writes:
> I don't know of a free-software concurrent RDBMS which can be considered
> lighter than that. (No, MySQL doesn't count; its concurrency is
> *unreliable* and it commonly loses data silently. Don't use MySQL.)

I thought they fixed MySQL transactions years ago, with the InnoDB
engine.  For some reason it's not the default, so you have to turn it on
explicitly: is there more to it than that?

For stuff like browser bookmarks or other typical embedded database
purposes, I don't see why SQL or relations are needed.  Berkeley DB is a
transactional key-value store that's been around for decades and is way
simpler than SQLite, and there's other things like that too.

SQLite always seemed bloated (from the embedded NoSQL point of view) and
fragile to me, and the vendor plays an annoying anti-forking trick,
which is that the code is released but the developers' test suite is
secret and proprietary (can be licensed from them for big bucks).  So if
you want to make your own version of SQLite you have to either pay for
the test suite, or have much less reliability assurance for your patched
version than the vendor has for their version.  Add that Sqlite is
written in C (think of naked whirling razor blades) and you've got a
pretty serious disincentive against modification.

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Re: sqlite3 and dates Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 18:05 +1100
  Re: sqlite3 and dates Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-02-18 12:11 +0100
    Re: sqlite3 and dates Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 22:21 +1100
      Re: sqlite3 and dates Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-02-18 12:57 +0100
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 23:14 +1100
          Re: sqlite3 and dates Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-02-18 14:13 +0100
          Not sqlite3 and dates Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-02-19 04:53 +0200
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2015-02-19 13:18 +0000
      Re: sqlite3 and dates rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 14:17 -0800
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 09:37 +1100
          Not sqlite3 and dates Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-02-19 04:54 +0200
          Re: sqlite3 and dates Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2015-02-19 13:21 +0000
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-18 14:52 -0800
        'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 15:32 -0800
          Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 01:08 +0100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 11:42 +1100
              Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-19 13:13 +1100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-19 03:43 +0000
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 08:49 +0100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 20:10 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-19 18:07 +1100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 18:23 +1100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 12:26 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 07:47 +1100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 20:20 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-02-20 09:16 -0500
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> - 2015-02-21 11:44 +0100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-02-21 12:54 -0500
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 22:23 +0100
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 20:27 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 12:20 -0800
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 20:05 -0800
              Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2015-02-19 08:21 -0600
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-02-19 18:22 +1300
              Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 08:33 +0100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-19 05:32 +0000
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2015-02-19 08:17 -0600
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-19 15:04 +0000
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 02:19 +1100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2015-02-19 10:03 -0600
              Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 11:45 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-19 11:03 +1100
          Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-20 13:17 -0800
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-20 21:44 +0000
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-20 14:10 -0800
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 12:24 +1100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-21 14:13 +1100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2015-02-20 15:31 -0600
            Re: 'Lite' Databases Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-21 16:39 +1100
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2015-02-20 22:22 -0800
              Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-20 22:42 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2015-02-21 00:17 -0800
                Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-21 00:32 -0800
            Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2015-02-21 14:27 -0500
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 19:33 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-02-19 15:01 +1100
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-19 15:09 +1100
          Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 20:26 -0800
          Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-19 18:23 +1100
        When to use SQLite3 [was Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates)] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-18 20:15 -0800
          Re: When to use SQLite3 [was Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates)] Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-02-19 06:59 +0200
            Re: When to use SQLite3 [was Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates)] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-18 21:07 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 20:29 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-19 15:36 +1100
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 20:57 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-19 16:16 +1100
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2015-02-18 21:26 -0800
        Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2015-02-18 21:37 -0800
          Re: 'Lite' Databases (Re: sqlite3 and dates) rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-19 13:17 -0800
      Re: sqlite3 and dates Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-02-19 04:48 +0200
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-02-19 03:34 +0000
    Re: sqlite3 and dates Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-02-19 07:14 +1100
      Re: sqlite3 and dates rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 14:13 -0800
        Re: sqlite3 and dates Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-02-19 10:07 +1100
          Re: sqlite3 and dates rurpy@yahoo.com - 2015-02-18 20:08 -0800

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