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Re: Integers with leading zeroes

From Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Integers with leading zeroes
Date 2015-07-22 12:10 +0300
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Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>:

> Despite that they are represented in text with digits, and the
> authority that generates them may even use some sequence of integers,
> the types should not be treated as numbers.

Let's just say that the word "number" has multiple meanings. Words with
many meanings often lead to confusion.

My native Finnish luckily has distinct words for the two things: "luku"
(a quantity) and "numero" (a digit, numeral or label):

   luonnollinen luku (natural number)
   kokonaisluku      (integer)
   rationaaliluku    (rational number)
   reaaliluku        (real number)
   kompleksiluku     (complex number)
   liukuluku         (floating-point number)
   desimaaliluku     (decimal number)

   puhelinnumero     (telephone number)
   rekisterinumero   (registration number, license plate number)
   tilinumero        (account number)
   huoneen numero    (room number)
   sarjanumero       (serial number)
   tuotenumero       (product number)

Obviously, the words "liukuluku" and "desimaaliluku" slide into the
realms of numerals, but nevertheless, they deal with quantification
rather than identification.


Marko

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  Re: Integers with leading zeroes Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 23:46 -0600
  Re: Integers with leading zeroes "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-19 10:19 +0200
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  Re: Integers with leading zeroes Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-07-21 19:21 +0200
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    Re: Integers with leading zeroes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-22 10:55 +1000
      Re: Integers with leading zeroes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 11:10 +1000
        Re: Integers with leading zeroes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-22 12:14 +1000
          Re: Integers with leading zeroes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 14:16 +1000
          Re: Integers with leading zeroes Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-22 09:12 +0200
            Re: Integers with leading zeroes alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-07-22 09:09 +0000
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-07-22 17:27 +0200
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-22 15:47 +0000
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2015-07-22 16:38 +0100
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-22 15:50 +0000
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2015-07-22 17:24 +0100
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:32 +1000
          Re: Integers with leading zeroes Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-22 09:31 +0200
          Re: Integers with leading zeroes Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-07-22 18:40 +1000
            Re: Integers with leading zeroes Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-22 12:10 +0300
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-22 11:38 +0200
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-22 13:26 +0300
            Re: Integers with leading zeroes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:51 +0000
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 07:03 -0700
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-23 01:14 +1000
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-22 15:20 +0000
              Re: Integers with leading zeroes Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 20:11 -0600
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-07-24 18:23 +1200
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 16:28 +1000
                Re: Integers with leading zeroes alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-07-24 13:16 +0000

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