Re: generator/coroutine terminology

Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Date	2015-03-14 08:59 -0700
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Subject	Re: generator/coroutine terminology
From	Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>

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On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:59:22 PM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:34:27 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > 
> > A generator (function) may be a function which returns an iterator,...
> 
> I find "generator-function" misleading in the same way that "pineapple" 
> misleadingly suggests "apple that grows on pines"
> 
> A builtin function is a function in the builtin (or builtins -- can never remember) module
> A pure function is function that does not assign or mutate non-locals
> A Steven-function is a function that presumably Steven wrote 
> 
> However a "generator function" is a weird sort of function (at best).
> Not regarding it as a function is IMO more reasonable.

Another analogy somewhat closer home than pineapples.
In Pascal there are procedures and functions.
Even in the venerable Fortran there are subroutine-subprogram and (sub)function-subprogram.

C took the stupid approach of just throwing out one of these.
A decade of troubles was enough to convince people that it was needed and the
mysterious 'void-returning' function was introduced to simulate procedures

Causing all sorts of unnecessary confusions:
An int-function returns int and a char*-functions returns char*.
Does a void-function return void??
No a void function doesn't return anything!
Ah So a void function does a longjmp?

All of which is to say that in retrospect we need (at least in imperative programming) procedures and functions.

Best if the language supports them

If not, then we need them all the more in the conceptual ontology we use to
build programs.

Analogously we need the generator 'design-pattern' as well as the function
design-pattern. Conflating one as a special case of the other is a recipe for
confusion

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generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 06:35 -0700
  Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 00:55 +1100
  Re: generator/coroutine terminology breamoreboy@gmail.com - 2015-03-12 06:57 -0700
  Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-13 03:27 +1100
    Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 09:52 -0700
      Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-12 19:55 +0200
        Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 19:23 -0700
          Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-13 14:30 +1100
            Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 22:28 -0700
              Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 19:23 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 02:12 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-13 11:36 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-14 17:04 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-14 09:54 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 08:04 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-14 10:30 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 14:14 -0600
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 21:15 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 20:31 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 08:29 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 02:56 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 08:59 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 03:14 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 03:51 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 10:17 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 16:56 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2015-03-14 13:07 -0400
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-31 12:57 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-15 19:37 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:07 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 22:32 +1100
      Re: generator/coroutine terminology Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 22:02 +0000
        Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-15 00:15 +0200
          Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 09:24 +1100
            Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-15 02:15 +0200
              Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 11:22 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-15 02:48 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 13:02 +1100
              Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-16 12:03 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 09:12 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 18:21 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 09:40 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-16 22:59 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 01:37 -0600
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 09:52 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-16 23:02 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 14:42 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Jonas Wielicki <jonas@wielicki.name> - 2015-03-16 13:39 +0100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-16 19:36 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 19:58 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-16 22:51 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 00:16 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 14:32 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 05:51 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-17 01:32 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 08:45 -0600
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-17 00:39 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 07:19 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-16 14:26 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 07:37 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 07:55 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-16 18:19 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 19:52 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-17 03:07 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 20:18 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-17 03:25 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 20:33 -0700
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-17 03:55 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 04:22 +0100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-17 01:35 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-17 01:36 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 08:52 -0600
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 17:09 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 09:26 -0600
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-16 18:05 +0200
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-31 13:18 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2015-03-31 09:38 -0400
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-31 15:03 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 02:36 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-04-03 17:02 +1100
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-18 17:52 +0000
                Re: generator/coroutine terminology Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 23:46 -0700
  Re: generator/coroutine terminology Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-03-12 16:11 -0400
    Re: generator/coroutine terminology Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-12 22:22 +0200

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