Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas

From	Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas
Date	2011-04-30 08:37 +0100
Organization	University of Bergen
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:21:58 -0700 (PDT), CM
  <cmpython@gmail.com> wrote:
:  While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
:  using
:  a VCS?  At what point in the complexity of a project (say a hobby
:  project, but
:  a somewhat seriousish one, around ~5-9k LOC) is the added complexity
:  of
:  bringing a VCS into it worth it?

You are asking the wrong question.  It depends relatively little on the
number of lines, and much more on what you are likely to do with it.

One thing is certain.  If you are ever going to want to use a VCS,
you can just as well start yesterday.  Using a VCS is not an extra
hassle to use.  Only an added hassle to get started with.

Personally I use the VCS as
  1) My backup system; naturally doing incremental backups only.
  2) A means to synchronise multiple boxes (not just my laptop and
    my desktop, sometimes a linux and a mac system, and dedicated
    number crunchers too), and merge changes made out of synch.
  3) The possibility to make one branch to run a suite of jobs
    which may take a week or more, and still continue development
    independently on the main branch.

As you can see, the number of lines is irrelevant.  1-2 mean that
everything is VC-d, not only code for which the VCS is meant.
And 3 is of course about what kind of code.

I branch rather little.  Programming is not my day job -- nor my
main hobby, and I simply have not got the capacity to keep track
of multiple branches.   Even at 12-15kloc I have little use of
the VCS for its intended purposes.  If you take your development
project more seriously, you may do more of that within the first
500 loc...

But then, using VCS is not sufficient.  You need to /think/ VC.

In other words, taking up a VCS when the system is large enough
to require it is too late.  You need time to learn the thinking.

-- 
:-- Hans Georg

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Development tools and practices for Pythonistas snorble <snorble@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-26 07:39 -0700
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 09:00 -0700
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas "Martin P. Hellwig" <martin.hellwig@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 17:02 +0000
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2011-04-26 19:59 +0200
    Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-04-27 04:42 +1000
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2011-04-27 00:32 +0200
    Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-26 20:44 -0500
      Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-27 12:45 +1000
        Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-27 16:51 +1000
        Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-27 14:13 -0500
      Re: Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 19:50 -0700
        Re: Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 22:37 -0700
      Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices  for Pythonistas") Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2011-04-29 09:26 -0400
        Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-04-30 05:08 +1100
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanmichel@sequans.com> - 2011-04-26 20:04 +0200
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 11:29 -0700
    Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 11:31 -0700
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-04-27 04:50 +1000
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-27 06:14 +1000
    Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-27 09:41 +1000
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-04-27 10:44 +1000
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanmichel@sequans.com> - 2011-04-27 11:24 +0200
        Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2011-04-27 15:13 +0300
          Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanmichel@sequans.com> - 2011-04-27 14:24 +0200
            Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-04-30 08:37 +0100
              Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2011-04-30 09:15 +0000
                Re: [OT] VCS for non-text (was Development tools and practices for Pythonistas) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-30 09:18 -0500
                Re: [OT] VCS for non-text (was Development tools and practices for Pythonistas) Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2011-05-01 19:53 +0000
            Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-04-29 19:35 +0100
              Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-30 09:17 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 20:21 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2011-04-29 23:54 -0400
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-01 10:36 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Shawn Milochik <shawn@milochik.com> - 2011-04-30 20:47 -0400
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Dietmar Schwertberger <news@schwertberger.de> - 2011-05-01 18:11 +0200
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Jason Earl <jearl@notengoamigos.org> - 2011-05-01 14:51 -0600
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-02 07:49 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-01 19:37 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas David Boddie <david@boddie.org.uk> - 2011-05-02 01:33 +0200
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Dietmar Schwertberger <news@schwertberger.de> - 2011-05-02 19:40 +0200
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Shawn Milochik <shawn@milochik.com> - 2011-04-29 23:49 -0400
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-01 20:06 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-02 13:22 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-01 20:45 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-05-02 17:08 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-02 00:19 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-05-02 17:48 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas jacek2v <jacek2v@gmail.com> - 2011-05-02 02:09 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Algis Kabaila <akabaila@pcug.org.au> - 2011-05-02 20:38 +1000
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas jacek2v <jacek2v@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 11:31 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2011-05-03 21:19 +0300
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 11:50 -0700
                Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2011-05-04 21:06 +0300
        Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-27 22:14 +1000
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-27 19:33 +1000
      Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanmichel@sequans.com> - 2011-04-27 13:17 +0200
        Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2011-04-27 20:08 +0200
          Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-28 09:44 +1000
      Re: [OT] VCS tools (was "Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-27 14:07 -0500
        Re: [OT] VCS tools (was "Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2011-04-28 20:48 +0000
          Re: [OT] VCS tools Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-29 07:50 +1000
            Re: [OT] VCS tools Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-28 18:09 -0500
            Re: [OT] VCS tools Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 11:37 +1100
            Re: [OT] From svn to something else? (was: VCS tools) Hans Georg Schaathun <georg@schaathun.net> - 2011-04-29 11:07 +0100
              Re: [OT] From svn to something else? Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-29 06:50 -0500
                Re: [OT] From svn to something else? Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-04-29 18:01 +0100
                Re: [OT] From svn to something else? Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-04-29 13:23 -0500
              Re: [OT] From svn to something else? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-29 22:53 +1000
                Re: [OT] From svn to something else? "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@druid.net> - 2011-04-29 09:26 -0400
            Re: [OT] VCS tools Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 18:46 +0000
  Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 14:00 -0700
  recommended Emacs mode (was Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas) Gour-Gadadhara Dasa <gour@atmarama.net> - 2011-04-27 08:39 +0200
    Re: recommended Emacs mode (was Re: Development tools and practices for Pythonistas) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2011-04-27 00:51 -0700
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