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Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++]

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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:24:40 PM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 8/27/14 3:50 AM, Frank Millman wrote:
> > "Ian Kelly"  wrote in message
> >> Ugh. There seems to be no public repository, and the only source to be
> >> found is from release-versioned tarballs, so there's apparently no
> >> collaboration other than some forums for reporting bugs and requesting
> >> features. All the work is done by one developer in his spare time, and
> >> he is currently on hiatus since April. Meanwhile the most recent
> >> release is February, so it's not like somebody could just pick it up
> >> and start hacking and expect to merge.
> >> That's only open-source under the most literal of definitions.
> > This is quite a timely message for me. I am inching closer to releasing a
> > version of my accounting software, and a lot of the above comments apply to
> > me as well. At present I am the only developer, and my project is not hosted
> > anywhere, so I have to decide how to make it available, and I am open to
> > suggestions.
> > I have had two attempts at running an hg repository locally, and I am afraid
> > that I am not keeping it up to date. I do have a master copy, but I have
> > made so many changes in my clone that a merge will not make any sense, so I
> > will have to start afresh. I think that making it public will be the only
> > way that I can force myself to update it regularly.

> You don't need a "local hg repo", you just need a working tree.  I 
> recommend choosing either hg or git, and then using BitBucket or Github, 
> and being done with it.

> > I could stick to hg (or git) but I have recently come across fossil, and it
> > seems ideal for my needs. Has anyone used it? It seems to have everything it
> > needs (a wiki and a ticketing system) for self-hosting, and I have my own
> > domain that I have not activated yet, so maybe I should just use fossil and
> > host it myself. Any comments?

> Fossil is one of those technologies that is very attractive in and of 
> itself, but is so under-adopted that it will itself be a barrier to 
> collaboration.  (Frankly, hg is getting to that category also.)

Some plainspeak -- Nice!

In modern society we are part users, part masters.  It may be 99% user
1% master if one is super-intelligent versatile etc -- renaissance men.

For us more ordinary folk it is more like 99.99% vs 0.01%
Eg I dont know how to repair the car I drive, build the roads they run on,
a frigging clue about the intenals of the utilities (electricity/water...)
I consume etc.  Heck this is even true of computers -- the SMPS? the Disk?

Likewise versioning systems.
We need to use them. We dont need to master all the details and possibilities.

Git has won the battle -- maybe because of the mystique around the
name 'Torvalds', maybe for sound technical reasons. It doesn't matter.
If you have better things in your life than becoming a phd in versioning,
I'd say flow with the tide and switch to git

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Re: Python vs C++ Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche.boubekki@gmail.com> - 2014-08-26 10:12 +0200
  Re: Python vs C++ alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 15:43 +1000
    Re: Python vs C++ Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 00:23 -0600
    Re: Python vs C++ Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 00:33 -0600
    Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'?  [was Python vs C++] "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-08-27 09:50 +0200
      Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-27 09:38 -0700
        Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-27 20:14 +0300
          Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 10:41 -0700
          Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 08:46 +1000
            Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-28 08:31 +0300
              Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 15:44 +1000
      Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'?  [was Python vs C++] Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-27 21:41 +0200
    Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 18:03 +1000
    Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'?  [was Python vs C++] Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-08-27 07:54 -0400
      Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'?  [was Python vs C++] Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 10:29 -0700
        hg, git, fossil, ... [was Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++]] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-08-27 11:26 -0700
        Re: hg, git, fossil, ... [was Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++]] Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-27 13:51 -0500
          Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-28 08:58 +0300
            Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-28 09:56 -0500
            Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-08-28 11:39 -0400
              Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-28 19:17 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-28 11:32 -0500
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 02:38 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-28 22:37 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 09:08 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-29 09:43 +0200
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 10:54 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-28 13:40 -0400
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 07:25 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-28 22:41 +0100
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 20:20 -0600
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 08:59 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 17:20 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 10:48 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 12:24 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 19:53 -0700
            Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 19:56 -0600
              Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 08:50 +0300
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 17:19 +1000
                Re: hg, git, fossil, ... Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 10:43 +0300
        Re: hg, git, fossil, ... [was Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++]] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-08-27 11:58 -0700
        Re: hg, git, fossil, ... [was Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++]] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 09:07 +1000
    Re: Python vs C++ Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche.boubekki@gmail.com> - 2014-08-27 15:15 +0200
    Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++] "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-08-28 15:44 +0200
    Re: What is acceptable as 'open-source'? [was Python vs C++] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-28 23:58 +1000

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