Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO

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Date	2016-02-15 21:24 -0800
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Subject	Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO
From	John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net>

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On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 6:02:24 PM UTC-8, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-6, John Ladasky wrote:
> 
> Reguarding a migration from Python2 to Pyhton3, John said:
> >  I had to wait until my favorite packages were ported
> > (numpy, scipy, matplotlib, pandas).
> 
> WxPython is not ported either, much to my chagrin.

I was a big fan of WxPython myself.  I waited for Phoenix for a while, then decided to learn PyQt5.  Having been exposed to both GUI's ways of doing things, I'm not sure which I prefer.  I never liked Tkinter.

> > But once that happened, I moved from Py2 to Py3 years ago
> > with scarcely a bump, bruise, or scratch.
> 
> So you have no Python2.x code remaining in your repos? Are
> you telling us that you moved *EVERYTHING* to Python3? If
> so, i can't imagine how something like that would even be
> possible, hmm, unless of course, you don't have much code to
> move...?
>
> I could imagine that *IF* someone's entire Python repo
> consisted of a couple hundred (or less) small scripts, with
> few, or no, dependencies, such a migration would be
> relatively easy. But even though i've only been writing
> Python code for a handful of years, my repo consists of
> thousands of scripts, millions of lines of code, and many,
> *MANY* dependencies -- because after all, DRY is very
> important, yes?

It's true, I only have about 25,000 lines of code.  My largest program suite is only about 10% of that.  And indeed, it's now all in Py3. The 2to3 utility took care of most of my porting needs.  Yes, I aspire to the DRY principle.  I've written a few packages which extend Numpy's behavior in specific ways which I've re-used many times.

I acknowledge that there's a vocal group of Py2 users who have decided that it's too much trouble to switch.  The PSF has decided that its energies are better expended on growing Py3 than on maintaining Py2 for that diminishing user base.

But no one owns Python.  There is no law that states that Py2 adherents cannot maintain the language themselves, if they want it.  Sheesh.  Just do it.  Make it yours.  

Or make something better if you want.  You state:

> I don't need Python3. And i reckon that by the time i do, 
> something more interesting will come along, or, i'll create 
> something more interesting myself. i've been drafting, and 
> dreaming, of a new language spec for over a year now.. And 
> the best thing about starting a new language, you can do 
> anything you want... no dependencies! 

If you have all the skills that you claim, you're a far better programmer than I.  So -- exactly why are you complaining to people who are developing and/or using Py3?  Go off and impress everyone.  Become your own BDFL.

Cheers.

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[STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 19:26 -0800
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-02 22:02 -0800
    Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Bernardo Sulzbach <mafagafogigante@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 04:07 -0200
    Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 12:54 -0800
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 12:02 +0900
        Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-07 16:59 +1100
          Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-06 23:04 -0800
            Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 23:31 -0800
              Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-06 23:51 -0800
                Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 18:58 +1100
                Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 10:20 -0500
            Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-02-07 08:44 +0100
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 14:06 +1100
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 08:40 -0700
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-02-08 10:44 -0500
        Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 01:15 -0800
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 02:46 +1100
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-02-08 10:53 -0500
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 18:48 +0100
      Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-11 23:51 -0800
        Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 18:02 -0800
          Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 13:30 +1100
          Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-15 21:24 -0800
            Guido on python3 for beginners Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 00:51 -0800
              Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-18 17:47 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-02-18 17:57 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-17 22:59 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-02-18 22:37 +0100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-02-18 02:00 -0500
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:27 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-18 12:22 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:00 +0900
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-02-18 03:40 -0500
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-20 18:59 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 20:57 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 05:57 -0500
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 22:07 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 04:25 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:51 -0500
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-19 12:17 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:39 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-20 13:36 +1100
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 00:37 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-19 15:06 +0000
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:32 -0800
                Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Matt Wheeler <m@funkyhat.org> - 2016-02-18 16:44 +0000
            Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-02-17 08:39 -0800
          Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-02-18 22:14 +0100
            Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 08:54 +1100
          Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 21:07 -0700
            Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-02-19 02:18 -0800
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2016-02-03 09:27 +0100
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Grobu <snailcoder@retrosite.invalid> - 2016-02-03 09:38 +0100
    Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-02-03 09:16 -0800
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Quivis <quivis@domain.invalid> - 2016-02-06 14:59 +0000
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-02-18 18:22 -0800
    Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-02-19 10:05 +0000
  Re: [STORY-TIME] THE BDFL AND HIS PYTHON PETTING ZOO Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-02-19 23:15 -0500

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