Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain)

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Date	2013-06-10 13:28 -0700
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Subject	Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain)
From	Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>

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On Monday, June 10, 2013 3:48:08 PM UTC-4, jmfauth wrote:
> -----
> 
> 
> 
> A coding scheme works with three sets. A *unique* set
> of CHARACTERS, a *unique* set of CODE POINTS and a *unique*
> set of ENCODED CODE POINTS, unicode or not.
> 
> The relation between the set of characters and the set of the
> code points is a *human* table, created with a sheet of paper
> and a pencil, a deliberate choice of characters with integers
> as "labels".
> 
> The relation between the set of the code points and the
> set of encoded code points is a "mathematical" operation.
> 
> In the case of an "8bits" coding scheme, like iso-XXX,
> this operation is a no-op, the relation is an identity.
> Shortly: set of code points == set of encoded code points.
> 
> In the case of unicode, The Unicode consortium endorses
> three such mathematical operations called UTF-8, UTF-16 and
> UTF-32 where UTF means Unicode Transformation Format, a
> confusing wording meaning at the same time, the process
> and the result of the process. This Unicode Transformation does
> not produce bytes, it produces words/chunks/tokens of *bits* with
> lengths 8, 16, 32, called Unicode Transformation Units (from this
> the names UTF-8, -16, -32). At this level, only a structure has
> been defined (there is no computing). 

This is a really good description of the issues involved with character sets and encodings, thanks.

> Very important, an healthy
> coding scheme works conceptually only with this *unique" set
> of encoded code points, not with bytes, characters or code points.
> 

You don't explain why it is important to work with encoded code points.  What's wrong with working with code points?

> 
> The last step, the machine implementation: it is up to the
> processor, the compiler, the language to implement all these
> Unicode Transformation Units with of course their related
> specifities: char, w_char, int, long, endianess, rune (Go
> language), ...
> 
> Not too over-simplified or not too over-complicated and enough
> to understand one, if not THE, design mistake of the flexible
> string representation.
> 
> jmf

Again you've made the claim that the flexible string representation is a mistake.  But you haven't said WHY.  I can't tell if you are trolling us, or are deluded, or genuinely don't understand what you are talking about.

Some day you might explain yourself. I look forward to it.

--Ned.

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Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-06-07 18:53 +1000
  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 02:41 -0700
  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 04:53 -0700
    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-07 15:29 +0100
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                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-08 18:48 +0100
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          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-09 08:10 +1000
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      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-08 22:09 -0700
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          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-09 00:00 -0700
            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-09 08:15 +0000
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                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-09 10:25 -0700
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                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-06-09 14:24 +0200
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-09 13:13 +0000
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-06-09 13:05 -0700
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                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-10 00:51 -0700
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 01:11 -0700
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                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-06-09 13:01 -0700
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              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-10 00:10 -0700
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 10:15 +0200
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 01:54 -0700
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 02:59 -0700
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 12:42 +0200
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-10 11:59 +0000
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 07:27 -0700
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 12:48 -0700
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