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Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
> 
> That's my favorite version, too, in detail for the IDE. I only miss 
> foldable blocks in the editor windows.

I don't know what exactly those foldable windowses are. For instance I 
hate that all new Delphi IDE versions force to use Docked panes only. 
You no more can have separate, overlapped windowses, that you can 
organize on screen yourself.

 > Most annoying was the new IDE, with a couple of
> flaws that will be fixed only in newer versions, if at all.

One thing you do not like are any of those old IDE choices and features 
missing. They are often quite small things, some change in Debugger 
window or editor for instance. If some important features have been 
taken off, and you have used them for 10 years or so, you are not a 
happy coder.

 > I didn't perform serious coding, though, only explored the Unicode
 > changes in a couple of test projects.

We tested the XE version to see if it would be for a help in our new 
SOAP project. We wanted to know if the new version would offer better 
methods when importing SOAP's .WDSL descriptions.

Even though we could not get Delphi XE running, we were able to see that 
the new WDSL-importer in XE had not changed a lot. It did not offer 
anything new, nor could it solve our problem.

The problem was with signed XML/SOAP messages and communication through 
SSL connection to the Bank. We spent 1-2 months struggling and testing 
and hacking and asking tips to become more familiar with XML, SOAP, SSL, 
INDY etc.

Finally we found and learned what are the important things with SOAP and 
SSL what are not.

We were able to rip away the marketing hypes, all the suggested ultra 
new communication packages, new Java/SOAP libraries, .NET-version 
requirements etc.

And also we found that we do not need Delphi XE to perform all this. 
Embarcadero's great and continuing work doing up to date SOAP/XML 
serializations against evolving SOAP standards was completely useless 
for us. Everything really necessary was available already in D7 package 
and in some commercial third party extra XML/SSL-products we bought.

Our final solution is a snappy 3 MB installation package. It is fast 
reliably and easy to install for anyone.
Our competitor's installation packages contain bout 150-200 MB of .NET, 
Java beans, HTML5, XML and Soap, SQL-database -libraries etc. stuff. And 
it needs specialist and 1 days at site to install it.

We have already rescued some of competitor's clients that have struggled 
10 months with competitor's packages, and have not get things to work. 
Clients are astonished how our package can be so small and simple, and 
do all the Banking communications things so easily and right out of the 
package.

 > Try a current (demo?) version, and see yourself.

Right now again, we do not have immediate urge to upgrade to new Delphi 
versions. I do admit that you can get more colorful and more 'modern' 
looking interfaces and left side menus systems built with them.

You do not get so good looking gradient Buttons and 16,7 million color 
Panels etc. with Delphi-7. The Delphi apps interfaces and menuing 
systems etc. do not look completely oudated. But they are not modern 
looking, Web stylish also.

In that manner I probably have to try and download some new Delphi 
version again, and see  if we can get up and running this time. And what 
does it really offer now.
The whole and total "web thing" for a Delphi house is also unsolved. We 
do Win32 development only, and Web-demands are urging and recalling all 
the time.

Sorry for the long post.
SP

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Delphi documentation ts.borisova3@gmail.com - 2012-04-18 01:18 -0700
  Re: Delphi documentation Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2012-04-18 15:31 +0200
    Re: Delphi documentation ts.borisova3@gmail.com - 2012-04-18 13:35 -0700
    Re: Delphi documentation Sven P <svenp@non.commercial.sv.com> - 2012-04-23 10:15 +0200
      Re: Delphi documentation Marco van de Voort <marcov@toad.stack.nl> - 2012-04-23 09:22 +0000
      Re: Delphi documentation Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2012-04-23 22:02 +0200
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