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Re: An example

From Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.logo
Subject Re: An example
Date 2023-04-06 18:42 +0100
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bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:

> On 4/6/2023 7:58 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 4/6/2023 7:30 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> I skimmed through the UCB Logo manual, but didn't see any examples of
>>>> programs to draw pictures. All I could remember of Logo was Acornsoft
>>>> Logo.
>>>> Then I though, why not ask ChatGPT to write a program to draw a
>>>> square?
>>>> and it did.
>>>> Here is an example I wrote to use the square:
>>>> to square :size
>>>>     repeat 4 [fd :size lt 90]
>>>>     end
>>>> to poly :size
>>>>      repeat 36 [square :size lt 10]
>>>>      end
>>>> (Tested with QLogo).
>>>
>>> How impressive.  ChatGPT is just as smart as a six year old.
>>>
>> Do you think a six year old could make sense of the UCB Logo manual?
>> I
>> don't.
>> 
>
> Probably not.  But you don't have to read bad documentation to learn how
> to use a language.  My daughter did Logo when she was six and so did my
> grandson.  It really takes very little knowledge "to square".
>
> People need to get over ChatGPT.  To paraphtase someone with a lot
> more experience than most of the people in the business today, it is
> little more than Eliza warmed over.
>
> bill

I used Acornsoft Logo a very long time ago. Today on a whim I installed
QLogo, and typed:

DEFINE SQUARE

But it just kept saying it didn't know what square meant. I couldn't
find any manual. But I read that it was based on UCB Logo, and that has
a manual, so I consulted it. In the section on turtle graphics I didn't
see any examples of definions of words.

People only need to understand that ChatGPT is not intelligence, but it
is a useful tool. I've also got it to write programs in Perl, which I
know nothing about. But looking up and understanding the syntax of new
languages is tedious and not particularly relevent to understanding
algorithims or concepts.

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An example Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-04-06 12:30 +0100
  Re: An example bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2023-04-06 07:52 -0400
    Re: An example Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-04-06 12:58 +0100
      Re: An example bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2023-04-06 12:47 -0400
        Re: An example Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-04-06 18:42 +0100

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