Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: comp.lang.logo Subject: Re: An example Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2023 18:42:01 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <85a5zkdi1i.fsf@example.com> References: <85y1n5dz8y.fsf@example.com> <85ttxtdxxg.fsf@example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="3293766"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MTaNsG+KATbUQX/exdToRWfBbyc= sha1:hSE8k1lEHv3abXXm2vx6FCTLOhM= X-User-ID: eJwNwoERgDAIA8CVjJAUxqGp7j+C3j9DkFeKSr6/rG2xi/uJBaFqPO0ABqdvcfUFn4o0hvgACWQQQw== Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.logo:149 bill writes: > On 4/6/2023 7:58 AM, Richmond wrote: >> bill writes: >> >>> On 4/6/2023 7:30 AM, Richmond wrote: >>>> I skimmed through the UCB Logo manual, but didn't see any examples of >>>> programs to draw pictures. All I could remember of Logo was Acornsoft >>>> Logo. >>>> Then I though, why not ask ChatGPT to write a program to draw a >>>> square? >>>> and it did. >>>> Here is an example I wrote to use the square: >>>> to square :size >>>> repeat 4 [fd :size lt 90] >>>> end >>>> to poly :size >>>> repeat 36 [square :size lt 10] >>>> end >>>> (Tested with QLogo). >>> >>> How impressive. ChatGPT is just as smart as a six year old. >>> >> Do you think a six year old could make sense of the UCB Logo manual? >> I >> don't. >> > > Probably not. But you don't have to read bad documentation to learn how > to use a language. My daughter did Logo when she was six and so did my > grandson. It really takes very little knowledge "to square". > > People need to get over ChatGPT. To paraphtase someone with a lot > more experience than most of the people in the business today, it is > little more than Eliza warmed over. > > bill I used Acornsoft Logo a very long time ago. Today on a whim I installed QLogo, and typed: DEFINE SQUARE But it just kept saying it didn't know what square meant. I couldn't find any manual. But I read that it was based on UCB Logo, and that has a manual, so I consulted it. In the section on turtle graphics I didn't see any examples of definions of words. People only need to understand that ChatGPT is not intelligence, but it is a useful tool. I've also got it to write programs in Perl, which I know nothing about. But looking up and understanding the syntax of new languages is tedious and not particularly relevent to understanding algorithims or concepts.